Posted on 12/07/2016 5:54:45 AM PST by Kaslin
Yes, it is good that Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, especially in light of revelations of her private email security breaches and pay-for-play administration of the State Department. If true, she belongs in prison. However, what is ominous is the number of voters who, despite all that was known of her crimes, still voted for her. This is not a sign of a healthy American electorate.
It seems the same citizens who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 after his disastrous first four years voted for her. Many people who go the polls in our generation are simply not thinking. They are less informed and thoughtful citizens than idolaters.
This is not what the Framers of the U.S. Constitution had in mind in Philadelphia in the summer of 1787 when those fifty-five remarkable American men of achievement -- businessmen, doctors, lawyers, farmers, and scientists, argued and drafted that document that has served America so well ever since.
Chairing their proceedings was the richest man in America and rightfully the most admired, war hero George Washington, the future first president. It is said that the Framers designed the office of the president with him in mind.
However, neither the future second nor third presidents, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, were in attendance. They were in Europe serving as ambassadors to England and France respectively.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
At the time of his death, Washington’s $780,000 estate was equivalent in value to almost one-fifth of 1 percent—0.19 percent—of the $411 million GDP. If Washington had lived two centuries later, and boasted a fortune worth 0.19 per cent of the nation’s approximately $18 trillion 2015 GDP, he would have been worth $34 billion. I’d say that makes him a very rich man!
Yep, that’s the guy. Poster boy for the Party of Utter Corruption.
I believe that over 6 million votes were cast by people who not eligible to vote—including dead ‘voters’.
Even more insane was the fact an avowed communist nearly beat her. I remember when Communism was a bad thing.
Not only are there a lot of fraudulent votes, there are legitimate votes that just should not be. If you have never worked a day in your life and are living off a grossly managed welfare system, you shouldn't be eligible to vote. Felons still shouldn't be able to vote. If you can't pass a fairly taught and tested class on how the government works, you shouldn't be able to vote.
Well i understand why you feel that way, however, that pesky constitution says otherwise.
I’m inclined to agree with most of these posts.
Don’t forget the fraudulent votes from those who voted multiple times, as well as the votes that were totally manufactured from thin air via electronic voting machine or by paper ballots “found” in car trunks and closets.
I disagree with preventing felons from voting after they have served their terms. In my mind (unless they were convicted of vote fraud which should carry a lifetime ban from voting) if they have served their sentence, they should be reinstated as citizens with full rights. This should NOT happen as a political move (like the Democrat governor of VA pardoning 60,000 felons just in time to vote).
I am not 100% invested in this view, since I have not spent a lot of time thinking about the pros and cons of it. So if you have good arguments against restoring rights to felons, please respond. My opinion is that if they are still dangerous, they should still be in prison. So if that is the problem, then we need to fix the problem, not put a bandaid on the symptom.
IIRC, The voting test was outlawed as being discriminatory. I can see pros and cons there.
I am 100% in favor of ballots in ENGLISH ONLY. If you can’t speak the language, you shouldn’t be voting.
I am 100% in favor of some sort of test for productivity. Originally, you had to be a landowner, which meant you were a productive citizen. Allowing those on welfare to vote is just a recipe for letting deadbeats vote themselves more goodies from the pockets of those who work. We have seen how that has played out over the last 100 years or so. We need to revise the system so that the deadbeats can’t reduce us via voting to communism, and at the same time, we need to protect the voting rights of those who are retired (not working) but have worked all their lives, and we need to prevent a government that is run solely by monied interests. A tough balance to strike.
As a starting proposal, I will throw out some ideas and hopefully some of the smart FReepers here will add, modify, argue, etc.
So how about these ideas (some a little crazy, which may provoke new ideas or be the seed of something much better):
1. A branch of the legislature where every X dollars paid in taxes buys the voter one vote. Or maybe one Senator from each state elected this way.
2. TERM LIMITS!
3. Congressional pay equal to the median American income. You don’t get to vote yourself a raise. When American prospers, you do, too.
4. A ban on relatives serving at high levels of government: President, Senator, Representative, cabinet member. If your spouse, parent, child, or sibling has held one of these offices, you are ineligible. No more dynasties (Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, etc.)
5. Ankle monitors on all Senators and Representatives. I want transparency. I want to know how much time they spend at work, how much time in fancy restaurants and on K Street with lobbyists, etc, etc. The NSA is spying on average Americans, but the people who are supposed to be working FOR US are not accountable for what they are doing. They are enriching themselves at the expense of the country.
Facility with the English language is (or used to be) a requirement for citizenship. Exactly!
I agree with you, if you have served the sentence, all rights are restored. That would be most in line with the constitution. And the Christian idea of forgiven.
Interesting, I remember making that exact same point to newgeezer many years ago. I suppose each state has its own list of things felons can and can't do. I guess I haven't given it a whole lot of thought lately. I'd rather see a felon vote than a dead person or a machine or an illegal that's for sure.
I think that a person who will vote however he is told if there is a bottle of booze in it for him should not be able to vote.
>> I think that a person who will vote however he is told if there is a bottle of booze in it for him should not be able to vote.
This will always be a problem. The same with the mentally retarded, some of the elderly who have dementia or Alzheimer’s, spouses who are coerced, etc., etc.
We will never be able to eliminate this problem entirely. On one hand, I’m not too wild about drunk voting, but on the other hand, it’s like you said about the felons - better than an illegal or a dead person.
There are several problems with making a law against stupid people voting:
1. Where do you draw the line?
2. Who decides where the line is?
3. Who decides who is on which side of the line?
4. Who makes the tests?
Whenever there is such a law, you can bet 100% that the liberals will abuse the law and twist it beyond recognition in a way that favors them and disenfranchises conservatives.
If I were in charge of who gets to vote it would be based on citizenship along with past and current productivity. So if you’re working, you get to vote. If you’re retired and used to work you get to vote. If you’ve spent more of your life on welfare than you have working, you don’t get to vote. If you’re productive enough to buy your own booze, then I might not like your vote, but go ahead anyway.
Whenever there is such a law, you can bet 100% that the liberals will abuse the law and twist it beyond recognition in a way that favors them and disenfranchises conservatives.
If I were in charge of who gets to vote it would be based on citizenship along with past and current productivity. So if you’re working, you get to vote. If you’re retired and used to work you get to vote. If you’ve spent more of your life on welfare than you have working, you don’t get to vote. If you’re productive enough to buy your own booze, then I might not like your vote, but go ahead anyway.
These are all very good points and they are things that have occurred to me too. The felon vote in particular. Imagine libs in charge where anyone who doesn't turn over his guns and put his kids in public school is a felon. Anyone who says anything against gays is a felon. It's very easy to have that kind of paranoia.
Since when is thinking a requirement to vote?
The REAL problem is voters with no skin in the game!
It is actually a very good sign. It means that fewer fake votes hit the machines. The same thing happened in Israel. When Clintons were in power in the 1990s, Israel had a record number of votes counted. The next election, with George W. Bush as President, the number of votes dropped by 20%.
The difference? Massive fraud in the Clinton-influenced election, mostly cleaned up before the next election.
If the U.S. would clean up the elections, deceased, vacant lot addresses, multiple registrations, fake names, single-day voting for the 99% (soldiers, traveling businessmen, and people in hospital or nursing homes should have equal rights to vote) plus purple ink should prevent most preventable fraud.
The remainder is the false count, which can be minimized by auditing standards being applied to the polls and machines. The places that give the most resistance are the places with the most fraud, usually big cities.
“Freedom literally came very near to being snuffed out this election.”
In my view freedom has been almost totally snuffed out before this election. The question is not whether Donald Trump can save our freedom but whether he can RESTORE it. Many forget that the word FREE is a superlative, there are not degrees of being free, only degrees of repression or lack of freedom. This country has not been truly free at any time in my 72 years of life but it has been much closer to true freedom than what it is today.
The progressive left has been working on getting as much control of the education systems as they can for the last 30-40 years.
And they have largely succeeded.
They have been controlling the public schools for years nd years, and they have control of several of the elite, prvate education schools too.
Through these mechanisms, they have beenfeeding our children goldess, perverted teachings of this nation for decades...and have been teaching the minorities and anyone else who wants to get a piece of the pie that they are entitled to almosy anything you can imagine because the nation, as they tech it, owes its to them.
So until most kids gt out and start actually working, and putting two and two together, they buy into this trash...but now they are getting the so much in debt to get a collegge educaton that they company store is nt the Federakl overnment nd it is owning more and more of them lock stack and barrell.
Among many other shcemes that ave to be broken...this education perversion is one of them.
For the minorities, if you can get their ear fr a time, and if they will open their minds and look and listen, you can fairly quickly show them the grand lie that they have been told:
Black and Latino Americans: For God’s sake Wake Up!
http://www.jeffhead.com/wakeup.htm
Personally, I am 100% against blanket restoration of felons voting rights.
Kids aren't "dangerous" but, we don't let them vote and we don't put them in prison. The same goes for non-citizens.
Sure, there are some felons who are truly reformed. But, if there is a good way to make that determination, I'm unaware of it. I sure don't want some Democrat governor deciding all felons are good to vote (as happened here some years ago).
Sure, there are some felons who are truly reformed. But, if there is a good way to make that determination, I'm unaware of it. I sure don't want some Democrat governor deciding all felons are good to vote (as happened here some years ago).
How about felon gun ownership after they are out of prison?
The Constitution specifically makes provision for denying criminals the right to vote but, none to infringe on one's right to keep and bear arms.
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