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New Poll: Clinton 45%, Trump 44% In Michigan
The Daily Caller ^ | November 2, 2016 | Ted Goodman

Posted on 11/02/2016 10:13:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Republican nominee Donald Trump is polling just one percentage point behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in Michigan, according to a new poll from Strategic National.

The Michigan statewide poll revealed essentially a dead heat in a state that has not voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1988. Clinton received 45 percent support, while Trump received 44 percent. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson received 5 percent support, while Green party nominee Jill Stein received 2 percent. Two percent of the respondents said that they were supporting someone else, and another two percent were still undecided....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; 2016swingstates; elections; hillary; mi2016; michigan; polls; trump
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
That map doesn't tell me anything. The most heavily populated counties in Michigan are blue.

Here's a similar map of Nevada from 2012:

Obama got 56% of the vote in one county and less than 51% in another county. He lost all the rest, most of them by margins of more than 18 points.

He won the state by more than six points overall.

41 posted on 11/02/2016 10:36:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Mad_as_heck

GOOD to know.

I’d love to see Trump win Michigan!

Pennsylvania is always a disappointment.


42 posted on 11/02/2016 10:37:30 AM PDT by onyx (VOTE for TRUMP or DON'T VOTE AT ALL! DONATE MONTHLY or JOIN CLUB 300!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Every poll we hear about "overweighting". Just like four years ago, when everyone thought the polls needed correcting.

The problem then, as it is now, is that many of these polls aren't "weighting" for party at all, so they can't be "overweighted". If you pick your random sample by criteria other than party, and 41% of the people answer the party ID question as "Democrat", that's not weighted, it's just reporting the results.

43 posted on 11/02/2016 10:37:32 AM PDT by mlo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Michigan, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire a VERY big deal should be made of hillary having debate questions for at least one Sanders debate. If Sanders supporters decide enmasse to not vote for hillary, I can’t imagine how she wins those states. There are probably other states where the *itch can’t win without Sanders supporters.


44 posted on 11/02/2016 10:39:39 AM PDT by grania (I'm Deplorable)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is awesome news.


45 posted on 11/02/2016 10:40:11 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance)
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To: All

Worth looking at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states

It tells you how steep the hill is in various states. By party registration.

Frankly, Colorado/New Hampshire is the best counter to losing PA.


46 posted on 11/02/2016 10:41:08 AM PDT by Owen
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To: edie1960

LOL! at how they’re dribbling out the results from the Marquette poll.
https://twitter.com/MULawPoll

I don’t think it’s as good for Hillary as it sounds. Timed to catch the ‘rebound’ from FBI/emails but not the ‘after consideration’ fallout.


47 posted on 11/02/2016 10:42:43 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mlo
The point is that they should be corrected/calibrated by various metrics in order to ensure their accuracy. The term "weighting" doesn't refer to a process that the pollster does; it refers to a breakdown of the voters by these various metrics.

If you conduct a poll of a "random sample" of American adults and you end up with a 95%-5% male/female breakdown for whatever reason, then the weighting is way off and it needs to be adjusted to reflect the reality of this split.

48 posted on 11/02/2016 10:44:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No way the ‘L’ candidate gets 5%.


49 posted on 11/02/2016 10:47:23 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Alberta's Child

I stick to my prediction that by election day there will not be a single state The Witch leads by double digits, including California. Not saying Trump wins but she does not blow him out anywhere. PA and Michigan I have Trump losing by a close one. Wisconsin I think goes Trump and my NE surprise is write-in Berni voters and Stein carve off a full 15 points off Cankles and Trump wins Vermont. A few shockers as New York or New Jersey takes till 90% votes in to call. Trump loses those states by less than 3%. Trump is up to bat and has like 10 over the plate pitches to hit a single. I think he can.


50 posted on 11/02/2016 10:50:26 AM PDT by pburgh01 (Negan all the MSM)
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To: Alberta's Child
That's a misunderstanding. Properly used, "weighting" does refer to something the pollster does. It can only be wrong if they do it in the first place.

If your random sample produces results that are obviously wrong, like a 95% female breakdown, that means your sample was flawed. Probably it was too small. You can't correct that by weighting other factors. If the sample was so unreliable in that one metric there's no reason to think any of the others would be valid. You needed a bigger sample.

A poll can certainly be designed to use weighting, and some are. But many of these political polls are simply reporting the party ID results that they collected. They aren't weighted for them and can't be jiggled by adjusting that.

51 posted on 11/02/2016 10:53:12 AM PDT by mlo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Charlie Gaspirino on Fox Business said a few minutes ago that Trump’s internal polling show him leading by 5-6 in Florida and showing him with a chance at taking Virginia. Now since Gaspirino hates to report any good news about Trump I thought this was significant.


52 posted on 11/02/2016 10:55:59 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a race where one or the other candidate is expected to win by a hugely lopsided margin (like in Massachusetts), it's likely that many will vote 3rd party, in order to send a message of some sorts. They can do this, since they can be sure their vote won't really matter.

In a race which is essentially tied, the people who would have voted 3rd party will pick one of the two major candidates.

53 posted on 11/02/2016 10:57:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump should take MI and do so by a comfortable margin.

Hillary isn’t getting AA turnout... and it was delusional to think she would. Hispanics and Muslim turnout won’t make up for her loss of support among AA, and the fact Trump is winning good segments of HS educated or less white DEMOCRATS.

Hillary should lose PA, WI, MI, OH, IN and IA by not so small margins.


54 posted on 11/02/2016 10:58:24 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: mlo

Rasmussen has said women answer the phone 5X more often than men and this has to be weighted away for legitimate measure.


55 posted on 11/02/2016 10:58:24 AM PDT by Owen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Which means Trump is in reality likely leading by 2-3 pts.


56 posted on 11/02/2016 11:00:28 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: gr8eman
The beast having to go to Michigan to campaign means their internals are looking bad and they’re in trouble!

Indeed. Remember the bad old days of 2008 when McCain surrendered Michigan (much to the consternation of Sarah Palin) only a month into the general election campaign?

57 posted on 11/02/2016 11:01:04 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: polymuser

Well, there will be new auto plants in the US, but not in Michigan. They will be in the south as has been the case. On the other hand, now that Michigan is a right to work state, you never know - which is something I thought would never happen.


58 posted on 11/02/2016 11:01:13 AM PDT by Dave W
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To: oldplayer

I think a lot of union blue collar workers will come out in support of Trump. They will not say so in public. These type of voters are not represented in the polls.


59 posted on 11/02/2016 11:02:38 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: tomkat

Realize this is a STATE poll... and I don’t know MI’s voter registration breakdown by party, but my bet is the D’s have a sizable advantage at the registration percentages.. probably similar to PA where the state registration is 48D and 38R.


60 posted on 11/02/2016 11:04:40 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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