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To: Helicondelta

We hear these anecdotes every four years and nothing is ever done to eliminate these kinds of machines. I remember that after the 2000 election, there was going to be a great effort to clean up the system nationwide. What happened to that?


3 posted on 10/22/2016 1:01:52 AM PDT by MrChips (Ad sapientiam pertinet aeternarum rerum cognitio intellectualis - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips

Ah yes, I remember that. All our lever machines were replaced with new scanners. After “processing” my vote, the machine tells me the vote has been accepted, but does not indicate how I voted. In 2004, registered voters had to show ID to vote. The signature on the ID had to match the one in the book. Since then, no ID is necessary, unless you’re a first-timer. You still have to sign.


19 posted on 10/22/2016 1:42:21 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: MrChips

That was orchestrated to get rid of audit-trail voting. The gullible dolts who sought the full computerized machines bought the lies that Soros was already implementing to what it is today.

The hanging chad debacle set the whole ting into play. In Jacksonville, we use something of a hybrid that still has paper but it is recorded by a scanner that does not provide an audit receipt to validate what it read. It only looks to see if there is a mark in each race to validate it as a good ballot. The other issue I have with it is there is nothing that keeps the software from altering anything of what was marked on the paper.

Even if an audit receipt was printed out, there is no guarantee that the machine could not have dual buffers, one for the receipts and one for the digitally transferred results.


55 posted on 10/22/2016 3:39:17 AM PDT by mazda77 (The solution: Vote Trump)
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To: MrChips
We hear these anecdotes every four years and nothing is ever done to eliminate these kinds of machines. I remember that after the 2000 election, there was going to be a great effort to clean up the system nationwide. What happened to that?

Democrats. The voting machines where I live post a recap screen before you hit the "vote" button to lock in your vote. Don't ignore that. Take the time to double-check your votes. Another problem is dead spots in the touch screen where you can peck and peck and peck at your candidate's choice without response and, if you then test elsewhere on the screen - bammo - it votes for another candidate. Even then, the machines can take GOP votes and switch them to Democrat if they are programmed to do so. The better machines print out a paper copy of your vote when you are done which seems the most legit way so there is a paper trail of your electronic vote however, like printed receipts at the ATM or the gas pump, there's the extra expense of paper and the potential trash issue of all those receipts being printed. Further complicating the issue is that voting is a states-run enterprise, sometimes even county-by-county. It's not a federal-run process (thank God) or your votes would probably be placed under the control of a bunch of union (i.e. largely Democrat) workers. This is one of my major issues with mail balloting is the potential for union tampering.

63 posted on 10/22/2016 4:10:41 AM PDT by OrangeHoof ("If you cain't run yo own house, you cain't run da White House. Cain't do it." - Michelle Obama)
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To: MrChips
We hear these anecdotes every four years and nothing is ever done .....

That's because they are not random. They seem to always favor Dems. Dems cheat, always....

74 posted on 10/22/2016 5:13:37 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: MrChips

Yeah well, I dont think Trump would go gently into that good night if there’s rampant fraud.


85 posted on 10/22/2016 6:18:03 AM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: MrChips
I remember that after the 2000 election, there was going to be a great effort to clean up the system nationwide. What happened to that?

They DID clean that up. That is the Democrats cleaned it up so the machines register majority votes for their candidates. They have cheated as long as I have been alive and now with the computerized machines they can program them to have their candidates win and not a single person would know about it.

I was hoping to retire in two years and just hunt and fish but I now worry that I may have to follow my oath of office as a retired officer with a Regular Commission and fight for freedom for my children and grandchildren.

86 posted on 10/22/2016 6:24:35 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: MrChips

Right after the border wall is built which is mandated by law and money approprited around 2006


88 posted on 10/22/2016 7:50:45 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: MrChips

Nothing, as usual.


90 posted on 10/22/2016 8:35:36 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: MrChips

That is because it has nothing to do with the machines- the same claims pop up with old paper ballots too, only in those cases manufacturing ballots is even easier.

The real vote fraud occurs at the registration level, not on the machines, no matter the type of machine.

The real fraud is in the registration of voters, with fraudsters preferring to register voters who are least likely to show up to vote. What the fraudsters are after is to raise the number of unclaimed ballots in each targeted precinct or parish because it is these unclaimed ballots which they will use to puff up the count of their candidate.

Unless there is an accurate voter ID system- photo ID- there will always be fraud. Unless the rolls are purged of the dead and voters who are registered in more than one county are purged, there will always be fraud.

Worrying about the machines is nothing but a distration from the real problem.


105 posted on 10/31/2016 1:58:37 PM PDT by piasa
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