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Why conservatives will need a new party if/when Hillary wins
Conservative Review ^ | October 16, 2016 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 10/19/2016 1:03:48 PM PDT by Cheerio

When John Quincy Adams entered office in March, 1825, he had lofty ideas both domestically and on the global front. The younger Adams had one of the most impressive resumes of a new president. He was widely regarded as one of the most successful secretaries of state in our history, and presided over the tranquil years of the Monroe presidency. Yet, the Jacksonian Democrats who dominated Congress, buoyed by the voting bloc of the southern states, absolutely decimated Quincy’s agenda and rendered his entire presidency an utter failure. There is no reason the same dynamic cannot occur during a potential Hillary presidency. Sadly, it won’t until a true alternative party is conceived.

Whether you love, hate, or tolerate the current GOP nominee, the reality is that unless something cathartic occurs before the critical mass of early voting begins, Hillary Clinton will be elected president on November 8. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just three weeks out from the election (and much less when mass early voting is factored in), it’s time conservatives of all stripes at least give some thought as to a game-plan past the sensational news of the day in the media. Republicans like Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas. (F, 42%) already have a game plan in place if and when Hillary is elected: make Hillary’s presidency a great success. In other words, nothing too different from the GOP’s modus operandi during the Obama presidency.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2016; gop; newparty
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1 posted on 10/19/2016 1:03:48 PM PDT by Cheerio
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To: Cheerio

We’re going to need a new party, period. Whether Trump wins or not.


2 posted on 10/19/2016 1:04:51 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Cheerio

More than 30% of Americans are Independents. That is a new party, no formal structure necessary.


3 posted on 10/19/2016 1:08:08 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JamesP81

Totally


4 posted on 10/19/2016 1:08:21 PM PDT by ZULU (Where the HELL ARE PAUL RYAN AND MITCH MCCONNELL ?????)
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To: Cheerio

Time to bring back the Whig party?


5 posted on 10/19/2016 1:09:07 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (#nevertrump is really #readyforhillary)
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To: JamesP81

Who is a logical conservative to coalesce around. Need to begin ASAP to challenge for the House seats.


6 posted on 10/19/2016 1:09:53 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (A Deplorable in Texas)
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To: JamesP81

Who is a logical conservative to coalesce around. Need to begin ASAP to challenge for the House seats.


7 posted on 10/19/2016 1:09:56 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (A Deplorable in Texas)
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To: JamesP81

I agree. But we still need to bury the criminal Democrat one.


8 posted on 10/19/2016 1:10:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Cheerio

I said to myself (and family) after odungo “won” his second term that there will never be another republican/conservative president.

At that point I knew the fraud, media and corruption and collusion would ensure that.

Then came Donald and he is giving America one last (miraculous) shot.

*IF* the beast “wins” despite all of the exposure yadda yadda yadda, then there is really no need for political opposition... UNLESS and until the corrupt gov and media are dealt with first.


9 posted on 10/19/2016 1:11:26 PM PDT by CygnusXI
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To: Cheerio

Already done, Tea Party


10 posted on 10/19/2016 1:11:45 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Cheerio

That party will be called “Paraguay”.


11 posted on 10/19/2016 1:11:48 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (I had a cool idea for a new tagline and I forgot it!)
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To: JamesP81

Yup. The GOP is toast. No one is ever again going to vote for the RINOs who opposed Trump.


12 posted on 10/19/2016 1:12:11 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cheerio; All
"Why conservatives will need
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13 posted on 10/19/2016 1:12:26 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The Whig party dissolved, and at that time in the 1850s, the Republicans emerged as the 2nd major party.

We have had 2 major parties for almost all of our history, but the 2 parties have not always been today’s Democrat and Republican parties.

There’s no reason why we have to keep the 2 major parties as they exist today as our major parties.

Since the Republicans don’t seem to stand for strong conservative principles, then what is the purpose of the Republican party?

Why not see the GOP dissolve, if it won’t oppose the Democrat presidents and doesn’t stand for anything?


14 posted on 10/19/2016 1:13:12 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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A new party?

These people are living 30 years in the past.

Try a military coup or a civil war.


15 posted on 10/19/2016 1:14:30 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (A time for peace and a time for war)
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To: JamesP81

Absolutely. Ive registered GOP for past 2 decades for primary voting only. Life-long pubbie. I’m something else from now on.


16 posted on 10/19/2016 1:14:42 PM PDT by Thickman (Obama - Professor of the United States)
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To: JamesP81
We’re going to need a new party, period. Whether Trump wins or not.

You are absolutely correct.

17 posted on 10/19/2016 1:15:20 PM PDT by RatRipper (The biggest threat to US national security is our government and those in it.)
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“Whether you love, hate, or tolerate the current GOP nominee, the reality is that unless something cathartic occurs before the critical mass of early voting begins, Hillary Clinton will be elected president on November 8.”

That’s ridiculous. He’s a neverTrumper.


18 posted on 10/19/2016 1:15:31 PM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: Cheerio

Why conservatives will need a new party if/when Hillary wins

We already have it. What do you think Trump has been doing the past year? Tearing down the Republican Party to rebuild it. It’s almost destroyed now, and rebuilding itself along the way with Trump at the helm.

The Republican Party is being rebuilt whether Hillary wins or not. Trump has been remaking it from day one. Right now all the old guard is running to hide behind Hillary’s ample pantsuit, and thinking Trump will do a swan dive into political oblivion if they simply abandon him, and he’s still standing and fighting. The party is already not what it was 4 years ago. The metamorphosis is still in progress, but inevitable.


19 posted on 10/19/2016 1:16:28 PM PDT by Paleo Pete (Proud to be a redneck deplorable)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Speculation on what might be, is pointless. We need to win this November!

Note On Essential Tactics

I do not want to come across as arrogant; but based on 60+ years of fighting for traditional American values, including hours of using live TV to advantage, I want to share some experience driven suggestions, both for our candidate, and all of us who will be actively promoting a Trump victory in just 20 days.

While speaking in anger can sometimes help rally those who share your beliefs and priorities, it is not the most effective way to convert those who dissent from our purpose. When there is a real problem to be addressed, it is almost always better to speak in sorrow than in anger.

In the present ideological conflict, there is great reason for sorrow. We need to interject, in every possible exchange, those contemporary phenomena that are not only unfortunate from our stand point; but which are likely to be understood as sad by anyone listening to us.

Putting this understanding to work in a situation such as tonight's Presidential debate; Trump needs to intertwine his response to essential policy issues, by sadly lamenting the background social climate, which certainly impacts all aspects of contemporary American life, including the problem reflected in the issue. For example:

The decline in pride in heritage, openly encouraged by Obama's repeated apologies to others for America's traditions & achievement--leading to Americans kneeling through the Star Spangled Banner;--his & Mrs. Clinton's siding with Soros financed thugs against the Police--leading to the cold blooded assassination of American cops;--their refusal to protect the border, leading to job losses among rooted Americans, brutal crimes against American women, and the despicable riots in California, where aliens who do not share our values, or honor our heritage, intimidate local officials into not celebrating the achievements of the Founding Fathers and their posterity.

It was only last week, when anti-American culturalists advocated not celebrating Columbus Day! The Obama/Clinton cabal seem intent on denying that our values & achievements, under uniquely American cultural values, grew directly out of the experience driven values of particular European settlers. That is fact. It takes nothing away from the achievements or values of any other people; but it is our fact, and we are entitled to honor that fact and the rich cultural heritage it reflects.

To the extent that the Obama/Clinton cabal would deny us pride in our history, they are truly bigoted enemies. But we do best, again, when we lament the success of our enemies, as we explain, again quietly and sadly, how totally despicable is this ongoing attack, coming indeed from those who have benefited so much, while gaming our system.

Some may think that this approach is going soft. It is precisely the opposite. In place of venting our wrath at the Obama/Clinton betrayal, we begin to instill wrath in some of those who otherwise would simply go along with the enemy, "to get along."

There is nothing the least bit new in these tactics. Anyone familiar with Shakespeare's play "Julius Caesar," is quite familiar with the technique. It worked in the play because it reflects a true understanding of the psychological factors involved.

William Flax

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20 posted on 10/19/2016 1:16:39 PM PDT by Ohioan
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