Poll: Catholics Support Hillary Clinton, Gay Marriage

National Catholic Review ^ | Aug 25 2016 | Michael O'Loughlin

[daniel1212]

More than half of all U.S. Catholics (52 percent) would cast a vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton if the election were held today, compared to just 32 percent for Republican Donald J. Trump...

More than three in four (76 percent) non-white and Hispanic Catholics would pick Clinton, with 13 percent choosing Trump.

Among white non-Hispanic Catholics, Clinton holds a much smaller lead, 44 percent to 41 percent....

Six in 10 (62 percent) white evangelicals say they would vote for Trump today, while 47 percent of white mainline Protestants pick Trump.

That comes from a new survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, whose findings mirror a similar poll conducted earlier this summer by the Pew Research Center.

Trump’s trouble with Catholic voters was foreshadowed during the primary season, when a group of reliably conservative Catholics urged their fellow believers in the Republican Party to resist Trump, even after he had all but sewn up the nomination.

Those concerns were renewed this week when The Hill reported on comments made by the newly tapped C.E.O of the Trump campaign, Stephen Bannon. The former head of the conservative website Breitbart News had accused the Catholic Church of supporting immigration reform only to boost its own membership.

“I understand why Catholics want as many Hispanics in this country as possible, because the church is dying in this country, right? If it was not for the Hispanics,” he said in March during a radio interview with Princeton University Professor Robert George..

Nearly seven in 10 (68 percent) of U.S. Catholics say they support same-sex marriage, up from just 35 percent in 2003. At the same time, Catholics are about split when asked if support for same-sex marriage goes against their religious beliefs (45 percent say that it does)... of the Catholic “Never Trump” movement.

About six in 10 Catholics (63 percent) say businesses should not be allowed to refuse services to gays and lesbians based on religious objections.

When it comes to how friendly religious institutions are to L.G.B.T. people, Catholics think better of their church than the American public does. Almost half of all Americans consider the Catholic Church to be “somewhat or very unfriendly” to L.G.B.T. people, with 35 percent seeing the Catholic Church as friendly.

The numbers are switched for Catholics, with 49 percent saying the church is friendly and 45 percent who say it is not.

While U.S. bishops have made fighting same-sex marriage a priority for several years, just 37 percent of Catholics report hearing the issue discussed by their priest in the past few months.

[kearnyirish2]

Where are either “gay marriage” or female (or gay) clergy found in Scripture? They have become routine in Protestant practice.

[kearnyirish2]

Good night; be well.

[Mark17]

I was a Democrat when I was a catholic too. It was Jimmy Carter who motivated me to get out. I also think Jimmy Carter is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[ealgeone]

Yet the ECFs the Catholics rely upon for so much disagree with each other on this issue.

[ealgeone]

Where is bowing down to idols of Mary in scripture??

[kearnyirish2]

Sure; the individual rites of the Catholic Church today still disagree on the issue of clerical celibacy - but they are still the same basic faith (and neither position runs counter to Scripture).

[MHGinTN]

You asserted, "They have become routine in Protestant practice." well, perhaps they have, but not in Christian practice.

Would you in the same voice claim the many homosexual priests and nuns are Catholics practicing their degeneracy? I wouldn't ...

[kearnyirish2]

Who bows to idols of Mary today?

Is bowing in front of a candle an evil act?

Statues are prayer aids as far as I’m concerned; if you want St. Patrick to intercede for you, bow in front of his statue instead.

[MHGinTN]

You are proud of necromancy?

[kearnyirish2]

However sinful/criminal their acts, those perverts ARE Catholics...but their actions aren’t endorsed by any Church authority. The Protestants have bishops espousing positions clearly counter to Christianity (in fact, they try to paint it AS Christianity); they now even have female and/or openly homosexual BISHOPS.

[daniel1212]

Prove to us that the majority of Catholics don;’t vote liberal and haven’t done so for decades.

Note that the argument is not that the majority of Catholics necessarily always vote liberal, but that they overall consistently do, like as the findings of this article, or as a near majority, but i did not go back further than maybe about the year 2000.

Here is a chart from 1948 on:

This chart shows the Democrat/Republican split of the Catholic vote in elections since 1948. Catholics and cases where the Catholics voted for the national winner are in bold.

Year	Election Winner	Party	Catholic Vote %D - %R	Election Loser
1948	Harry Truman / Alben Barkley	Democratic	65-35[29]	Thomas Dewey / Earl Warren
1952	Dwight D. Eisenhower / Richard Nixon	Republican	56-44/52-48[5]/51-49[29]	Adlai Stevenson / John Sparkman
1956	Dwight D. Eisenhower / Richard Nixon	Republican	51-49/46-54[5]/45-55[29]	Adlai Stevenson / Estes Kefauver
1960	John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson	Democratic	78-22/82-18[5]	Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge
1964	Lyndon B. Johnson / Hubert Humphrey	Democratic	76-24/79-21[5]/78-22[29]	Barry Goldwater / William Miller
1968	Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew	Republican	59-33/56-37[5]/55-37[29]	Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie
1972	Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew	Republican	48-52/39-59/44-54[5]/37-63[29]	George McGovern / Tom Eagleton, Sargent Shriver
1976	Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale	Democratic	57-41/54-44[5]/56-44[29]	Gerald Ford / Bob Dole
1980	Ronald Reagan / George H. W. Bush	Republican	46-47/41-50/42-49[5]/42-46[29]/47-50[23]:185	Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale
1984	Ronald Reagan / George H. W. Bush	Republican	39-61/46-54/45-54[5]/44-56[29]	Walter Mondale / Geraldine Ferraro
1988	George H. W. Bush / Dan Quayle	Republican	51-49/52-47/47-52[5]/52-48[29]	Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen
1992	Bill Clinton / Al Gore	Democratic	47-35/50-30/46-36[5]/44-35[23]:202	George H. W. Bush / Dan Quayle
1996	Bill Clinton / Al Gore	Democratic	55-35/55-37/53-37[5]	Bob Dole / Jack Kemp
2000	George W. Bush / Dick Cheney	Republican	52-46/50-49/50-47[5]	Al Gore / Joe Lieberman
2004	George W. Bush / Dick Cheney	Republican	52-48/51-48/47-52[5]	John Kerry / John Edwards
2008	Barack Obama / Joe Biden	Democratic	53-47/57-43/54-45[5]	John McCain / Sarah Palin
2012	Barack Obama / Joe Biden	Democratic	50-48[26]	Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_politics_in_the_United_States#Presidential_elections

[daniel1212]

the sad thing is you really think there will be no repercussions for the way you judge people or groups...the fact you refer to them as vain arguments by bare assertion despite your postings which will be kept for all perpetuity prove the contempt you have for the Word of the Lord...

Which is simply another vain and baseless charge, versus what i abundantly substantiated re Catholicism, and thus it is time i heeded the words of the RF mod regarding posts as yours:

If the other guy is throwing spitwads at you on an “open” thread it probably means he has run out of ammunition. Take it as a backhanded compliment. You won, walk away.

[kearnyirish2]

Are you referring to Jesus raising the dead, or His own resurrection?

[kearnyirish2]

If you mean asking deceased saints to intercede for us, we believe only that the physical body has died but the soul has eternal life.

Don’t you?

[MamaB]

Nope. Peter is not the rock. Jesus is the rock. I have seen on this site that Catholics do not even agree on things. I have been to many different churches over my 72 years. They all agreed and taught directly from the Bible, verse by verse. I know because I took my Bible to church ever since I learned how to read many decades ago. I followed along with the minister and still do.

[wardaddy]

You need to reread it

White mainline Protestants are not voting with blacks and Hispanics

Most are voting for Trump

Nice try though

[daniel1212]

Where are either “gay marriage” or female (or gay) clergy found in Scripture? They have become routine in Protestant practice.

Which is simply a vain argument, unless you can show that this is consistent with Reformation distinctives, such as for one, such moral declension is consistent with strongly holding to the authority of Scripture as the wholly inspired and only infallible supreme standard, versus liberalism being consistent with a lesser emphasis and view of Scripture.

Merely citing "private interpretation" will not do, for it is the authority of what is being interpreted that must precede that.

Which is to be compared with the RC model of ascertaining what Truth is and means. What is the RC basis for assurance for the veracity of what their church teaches?

May not get back to this till tomorrow.

[daniel1212]

Is bowing in front of a candle an evil act?

See here by the grace of God on how Scripture describes worship.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Cathsshould only do (and I should do more of) what Mary and every believer in Scripture did in praying to Heaven, which was to pray directly to the Lord, not saintly secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Instead, Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

[boatbums]

Let me ask the Freeper Catholics this, do you think it is just a coincidence that Hilliary's chosen running mate happens to be a Roman Catholic?

[boatbums]

I would think some Freeper Catholics might want to spend more time and effort convincing their fellow Catholics to STOP voting for Democrats and their Liberal anti-God agenda than trying to condemn someone here for pointing out the historical facts that are beyond dispute. But that’s just me.