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What Responsibility Do Black Americans Have to Prevent Police Shootings?
Townhall.com ^ | October 1, 2016 | John Hawkins

Posted on 10/01/2016 5:09:01 AM PDT by Kaslin

The job of the police is to deal with the dangerous, deranged people that the rest of us would rather avoid. Because of that, a number of police officers are going to kill people who pull out guns, attack them, act in a bizarre and dangerous way that makes them think they have a weapon they are about to pull out, etc., etc., etc.

Under perfect circumstances, even if everything is followed to the letter of the law, the police are going to kill people every year. This is an unavoidable reality.

Additionally, it is also an unavoidable reality that some people from all races, including black Americans, are going to be killed by the police. The good news if you are black is that you are no more likely to be killed by the police than people of other races, but, don’t take my word for it. Here’s the ultra-liberal New York Times,

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.

“It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard. The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.

Moreover, many more white Americans than black Americans are killed by the police. Again, you don’t have to take my word for it. According to the ultra-liberal Washington Post, there were almost twice as many white Americans killed by the police as black Americans in 2015.

Federal tallies of lethal police shootings are notoriously incomplete; the Post sought to correct that lacuna by searching news sites and other information sources for reports of officer-involved homicides. The results: As of Jan. 15, the Post had documented 987 victims of fatal police shootings in 2015, about twice the number historically recorded by federal agencies. Whites were 50 percent of those victims, and blacks were 26 percent. By comparison, whites are 62 percent of the U.S. population, and blacks, 13 percent.

If anything, given that “Blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do,” black Americans seem to be underrepresented in the number of people shot by the police.

Taking a human being’s life is an enormous thing and any time a cop does that, he should face an intense investigation. If it’s found that a cop killed someone needlessly, then he should face a trial for it. Furthermore, more police body cams are a good thing. So are better training and improved community relations efforts from the police.

However, the crux of the problem IS NOT THE POLICE. Let me repeat that; the crux of the problem here IS NOT THE POLICE.

The real core of the issue that no one seems to want to address is that a significant percentage of black Americans seem to believe that they should be able to do dumb and dangerous things around the police without facing any repercussions for it. Of course, there are people of all races who do dumb and dangerous things around the police. However, the difference is that if some white guy with a rap sheet as long as his arm resists arrest, attacks a cop and gets shot, there aren’t going to be any white people walking around with “Stop Killing Us” signs. On the other hand, if the situation is identical in every other way but the criminal in question is black, people will come out of the woodwork to defend his behavior and there may even be riots.

Even after rioting had begun in Charlotte over Keith Scott being killed, local NAACP Leader Corine Mack said, “I think the most important part is the contrast in him having a book versus a gun. But in my mind and in most of the community’s mind, it really doesn’t matter if he had a gun.”

That is simultaneously profoundly stupid and correct. It’s correct in that apparently, most of the people protesting in Charlotte didn’t care whether Keith Scott had a gun or a book in his hand when he was shot. On the other hand, it’s profoundly stupid because if you start behaving erratically around a police officer and have a gun in your hand, he is justified in shooting you. If you want to say that’s not justified, then you are essentially saying that you don’t want to have a police force because you are asking cops to be willing to die rather than kill someone who’s putting their lives in danger.

Since police officers are not willing to die at the hands of the Michael Browns and Keith Scotts of the world, they’re starting to avoid black communities altogether which creates a spike in crime. As Heather Mac Donald explains, the Ferguson effect is real and it is killing people.

How did the Ferguson effect affect Ferguson, Mo., last year? Precisely as you would expect. The little city of 21,059 already had a disproportionately high crime rate, as anyone observing the behavior of Michael Brown before he was fatally shot by Ferguson officer Darren Wilson in August 2014 would have guessed. In 2014, Ferguson’s violent-crime rate was 545 violent crimes per 100,000 residents, considerably above the 2014 national average of 362. But in 2015, the number of violent crimes in Ferguson surged 65 percent, from 115 to 190. Ferguson’s violent-crime rate in 2015 was 790 per 100,000 residents, over two times the national average of 373 in 2015. By comparison, the FBI estimates that the absolute number of the nation’s violent crimes rose nearly 4 percent in 2015, and the nation’s violent-crime rate rose 3 percent.

This is a consequence of perfectly rational behavior by the police. They know that if some thug high on bath salts comes at a cop with a knife and gets shot, there aren’t going to be any riots if he’s white. White Americans don’t look at a situation like that and think, “Wow! That could have been my son.” They think, “Wow, too bad that guy was killed, but he didn’t give the cop much choice.”

On the other hand, if the exact same situation happens and the criminal in question is black, you may have riots, a DOJ investigation, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton calling the department racist, attacks on officers, etc., etc. This may happen even if the police officer who shoots the criminal is black and the police chief is black. In part, that’s because in the aftermath of a shooting, the most ludicrously stupid stories are treated as gospel without waiting for an investigation. “He was standing there with his hands up.” “Oh, he was holding a book when he was killed.” “He was teaching a four year old girl how to read Korean before his church group started when the cop crossed the street to shoot him in the back for no reason!”

All black Americans don’t do this, but there are apparently enough morons who think this way to create an irrational riot almost everywhere and that’s a bigger problem than anything the police are doing. Corrupt or incompetent cops who kill people without good reason can be jailed. The majority of cops, who are good guys trying to do the right thing, can get more training. Officers can also be given body cams to help keep everyone on their best behavior, but none of that fixes large numbers of violent idiots who think it’s acceptable to loot the local Wal-Mart because a criminal with a gun gets shot by the police. You can say it's unfair to put it like that, but Black Lives Matter Leader DeRay McKesson explicitly defended looting in a course he taught at Yale and judging by the behavior we’ve seen in places like Ferguson and Charlotte, he’s far from an anomaly. Until black Americans look in the mirror and address the bad behavior and illogical thinking that everyone sees in this area, but no one talks about, nothing is going to fundamentally change with the police and more good people are going to die as the cops pull back from black communities.


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To: Kaslin

Comply or Die...

OTH, you can argue, in court, there is a bias...


21 posted on 10/01/2016 7:00:56 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: FrdmLvr

Fahrenheit 451


22 posted on 10/01/2016 7:01:45 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kaslin
There is a certain market aspect to the Negro communities' treatment of such shootings. Very few businesses move in to replace the ones looted and burned. Negroes are making themselves more and more dependent on white owned businesses in mostly white and riot free parts of town. It is simply not profitable to go there. That is, of course, racist. It becomes truly "racist" in that the Negro population of a neighborhood becomes a determinant of whether a business decides to locate there. That is racism; the belief that race determines the characteristics of a neighborhood or people either individually or in the aggregate. Eliminating all forms of discrimination, which is the explicit goal of liberals, requires a complete end to all forms of market or capitalism and of socialism if they were to think it through.
23 posted on 10/01/2016 7:21:31 AM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: Kaslin
What can Black Americans Do to Prevent Police Shootings?

despite what we are told,
this will not help


24 posted on 10/01/2016 7:27:50 AM PDT by Koracan
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To: Kaslin

Obey the officer. Simple.
Keep the macho stuff for your baby mamma.


25 posted on 10/01/2016 7:29:38 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Kaslin

It is not that they do what they think of as dumb and dangerous things. It is that they are raised to feel in their bones that any demand or request of a black person by a white person or any person in authority is demeaning and is not to be tolerated. Consider Michelle Obama’s description of the short white woman asking her to reach a product on a high shelf for her. That was, for Michelle, an instance of unforgivable racism. When you have that attitude toward a cop who has reason to believe that you might just kill him, that attitude makes it almost impossible to protect your own life by co-operating.


26 posted on 10/01/2016 7:31:00 AM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: arthurus

That is an excellent point.


27 posted on 10/01/2016 7:38:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: arthurus; Kaslin

Excellent observation.

And they still don’t seem to understand that if you just cooperate with police, you will live. You might get to stay at the crossbar hotel for a while, but it’s probably better than a hole in the ground forever.

Virtually every one of the recent police shootings occurred for the same reason. Resisting arrest. Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, I can’t remember the names of those in the past couple of weeks. Every one of them was resisting arrest. Which the mainstream news conveniently omits from their reports.

I was pulled over on a misidentification in Austin years ago. I fit the description of a guy who robbed a hamburger joint an hour earlier, was walking down Guadalupe Street to go to a sit in gig carrying a guitar case. The officer got a bad description, thought I might have the shotgun used in the robbery hidden in the guitar case, so he pulled over, hand on his gun, and asked for an ID.

When he called it in, he also asked for the description again and found out it was wrong, and apologized for having to arrest me anyway, warrant for a parking ticket I forgot about. OK, I’m off to jail.

The cop was nice as he could be, once he realized the mistake, and actually apologized for having to arrest me, I told him don’t worry about it, he was just doing his job. We talked and joked around for 15 minutes while we waited for the city guys to show up, he was a county sheriff’s deputy, and the city cop was cool about it too, even asked me of the cuffs were too tight. No...

All I did was cooperate, and show them a little respect. Didn’t run, didn’t fight, didn’t cuss anybody over a faulty description...when he told me that I said something like oh crap, just what I needed...we both laughed...He already knew I was the wrong guy and a guitar was actually in the guitar case...

So it’s actually that simple. Don’t give the cops a hard time. Even if they do have to arrest you, they are usually decent guys and will treat you like a human being. Fight them and they will treat you like what you are...a low life thug.


28 posted on 10/01/2016 7:50:26 AM PDT by Paleo Pete (Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.)
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To: Kaslin

Their responsibility is rather simple. No sudden moves, no reaching into your pockets, no acting like you’re on drugs.

In short, OBEY THE POLICEMAN.

Even white people know that, if you feel you have been wronged, you fight about it at the police station or the courthouse, preferably with an attorney present. Not at the curb where it is your word versus theirs.


29 posted on 10/01/2016 8:25:50 AM PDT by OrangeHoof ("If you cain't run yo own house, you cain't run da White House. Cain't do it." - Michelle Obama)
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To: OrangeHoof

I could not have said it any better.


30 posted on 10/01/2016 8:41:33 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The same as every other citizen. We are a nation of laws and we are all duty bound to obey them, and lobby to change the ones that are impractical or anachronistic. But we don’t change them by resisting police carrying out their duties.


31 posted on 10/01/2016 8:49:12 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Hillary- Time To Change the Bag...)
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To: central_va

I can tell you from direct experience they do. And they smoke weed in their car like most people drink coffee.


32 posted on 10/01/2016 8:50:43 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Hillary- Time To Change the Bag...)
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To: Kaslin
I guess I should have put the /s on those. Of course I don't think trees and lightning are racists. Wanted to mix some absurdity in.

33 posted on 10/01/2016 9:32:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill TWITTER !! Kill FACEBOOK !! Free MILO !!)
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To: Kaslin

You might want to schedule your sarcasm detector for a tuneup. :=)


34 posted on 10/01/2016 9:40:49 AM PDT by Bob (No, being a US Senator and the Secretary of State are not accomplishments; they're jobs.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Those for whom the /s is necessary won’t get the connection anyway


35 posted on 10/01/2016 9:42:44 AM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: Kaslin

They could try adjusting their BEHAVIOR.


36 posted on 10/01/2016 10:11:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Kaslin
What Responsibility Do Black Americans Have to Prevent Police Black-on-Black Shootings?
37 posted on 10/01/2016 6:16:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: arthurus

There are profitable businesses in mostly white communities.
Communities age over time and different folks move out - others move in.
The stores in the communities start making less and less profit (Why might be asked)
Finally; the business owners decide to move away.
RACISM!!! is the cry.


38 posted on 10/01/2016 6:16:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JimRed

Just WHO places the chip on their shoulder from the day they learn to talk?


39 posted on 10/01/2016 6:16:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; KC_Lion; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; ...

Stopped by the cops for no good reason? It’s annoying, it happens to us White folks too. A cop challenged me with a ridiculous allegation once. Did I jive talk him? No. he asked me to get in the squad car while he checked my ID, I complied. He checked my id and let me go while warning me not to do what he falsely thought I was doing. I was a bit shaken, POed, and wished him ill. Did I spit on him? No, I said ok officer and went home. You aren’t in court, there is no need to argue with him. Answer his questions (or plead the 5th) and comply with his instructions especially the KEEP YOUR HANDS where he can see them one.

Here’s what you don’t do

DON’T GET BELLIGERENT
DON’T STICK YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKET
DON’T PRETEND YOUR HAND IS A GUN
DON’T RUN AWAY

And here’s the big one, if you are getting arrested justly or unjustly DO. NOT. RESIST. ARREST.

If you behave like a rational person your chances of dying are ZERO!!! ZERO!!!! The cop does NOT want to shoot you any more than you want to be shot, he wants live to go home to his kids that night, not get reamed by the media because he felt he had to shoot you to protect his own life.

And if you happen to actually have drugs in your pocket or something, justifying the cop stopping you, STOP DOING/SELLING drugs. DON’T COMMIT CRIMES.

IT’S. NOT. ROCKET. SCIENCE.

Sorry for the rant.


40 posted on 10/01/2016 9:27:02 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery, Never Schumer, Never Pelosi)
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