The really aren’t.
MSM upset the people aren’t behaving the way they want.
Rubio was paying Luntz big bucks during the primaries to have his “focus groups” say Rubio won every debate. I wonder how much Frank is getting from the Clinton campaign.
Actually, greater number of polls = more scientific.
That is, when you average the polls.
They could be right, online polls that let anyone vote are subject to freeping, and I freeped all that I could. One thing it does tell us, is that enthusiasm from trump supporters if huge.
But defining "won" in this context is not so simple.
As a technical analyst, I would have preferred direct substantive confrontation from Trump--I thought he blustered.
On the other hand, the real relevant issue is who would have changed their position as a result of what they saw last night. Looks to me as though on that score, Trump really won, no matter what the debate judge might have thought.
Online polls reveal that there is no enthusiasm for Hillary.
Luntz’s Dunces didn’t show Trump winning any primary debate.
Yeah... I know. “Not scientific” etc. All good except for one thing.
There was a time Clinton would have had an organized army of people standing by the “freep” those polls. They wouldn’t have needed to be organized, they all know what they are needed to do.
And last night, they didn’t care enough to do it.
If the MSM can’t manipulate the results, it’ll trash them all. The NYT leading the list of crooked media.
Frank Luntz......the gift to the Left that keeps on giving.
Luntz had Trump losing the primary with his first primary groups.
But there are so many websites from all over the web that said Trump won, that I have to think it indicates he won with respect to people who are active online at the least.
The MSM is a smaller sampling than the online community, and they are likely more left biased than the online community is right biased...so I think even though the online polls may be a skewed, I don't think one can argue they are as skewed as the MSM's assessments.
As far at the focus group. I can't really say, because I don't know how they selected the 20 people.
The only way Hillary can be said to have won this debate is if you are in favor of higher taxes, wealth confiscation, bigger government, corrupt government, bigger spending, bigger debt, more regulations, more central government control, bankrupting our energy producers, higher unemployment, rotten economy, rotten education, packing our courts with liberal activist judges, globalism, pushing the global warming hoax, open borders, amnesty, keeping blacks and minorities on the government plantation, continued destruction of the military and our Judeo_Christian society, and if you generally hate God, capitalism and our free country.
ALL of them are.
What is actually worthless is the “News Media” asking “who won the debate” and then misapplying that response as indicating who is winning the election. What is being carefully hidden by the media is while a whole lot of people may think Hillary “won the debate” almost none of them are changing their minds about who they will be voting for because of it.
what on line polls do is initiated the intensity of a candidates base support. On line voting is a affirming action just like going to the polls in Nov requires action. Hillary on line poll numbers indicates almost there is almost no energy on her side with voters.
The real value is that they show the high level of ENTHUSIASM for Trump and the low level of enthusiasm for her. That said, if it wasn’t 70/30 if it was say 55/45 maybe they would have a case, but it is a YUGE gap and no amount of sophistry can make it go away.
Everyone knows the separate groups game the polls.
Leftist sites generally have the Leftist interest beating the Conservative interest by a wide margin.
Conservative sites generally have the Conservative interest beating the Leftist interest by a wide margin.
Where the needle flys across the record with the resulting sound, is when the Leftist sites start revealing a poll that mirrors Conservative interests.
That happened last night. It was a great big deal!
Hillary hasn’t got much support out there folks.
Trump does.
Frank Luntz is a real sad jerk and a liberal. No creditability.
The real value is that they show the high level of ENTHUSIASM for Trump and the low level of enthusiasm for her. That said, if it wasn’t 70/30 if it was say 55/45 maybe they would have a case, but it is a YUGE gap and no amount of sophistry can make it go away.