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To: Kaslin

May God forgive her. Suicide is the one unforgiveable sin, since it’s usually too late to repent. But perhaps she didn’t really know what she was doing.

May God have mercy on her soul.


4 posted on 09/24/2016 2:41:16 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

No suicide here. She wasn’t able to breathe on her own.


10 posted on 09/24/2016 2:50:17 PM PDT by jch10 (Stand strong! we have a country to save!)
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To: Cicero

Very well said. No one has the right to murder person and that includes those who commit suicide. It is a deadly sin.


11 posted on 09/24/2016 2:51:05 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Cicero

The unpardonable sin is rejection of Jesus Christ. That really makes the American people uneasy.


13 posted on 09/24/2016 2:53:30 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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To: Cicero
was it suicide?.....man made machines kept her alive at great discomfort all these years...

stopping a machine is not suicide...

15 posted on 09/24/2016 2:58:42 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Cicero

If you live long enough, you will face what she faced. You will not call it suicide. You will say you can hear God calling you home. You will answer that call.


18 posted on 09/24/2016 3:01:43 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Cicero

Rejecting artificial life extension (like a ventilator) is not suicide, it is accepting the inevitable.


19 posted on 09/24/2016 3:02:36 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Cicero

That’s not suicide. She was functionally dead already. All she did was instruct them to unplug the machines that were keeping her fake alive and letting the natural situation of her body come to its own conclusion.


20 posted on 09/24/2016 3:02:55 PM PDT by discostu (If you need to load or unload go to the white zone, you'll love it, it's a way of life)
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To: Cicero

In the Bible, The Judge Samson killed himself, and a huge number of Philistines, and later on in another book of the Bible he is mentioned in a list of heroes. He made it to Heaven and committed suicide. Not unforgivable. Denying Jesus is unforgivable. Dying without accepting His offer of forgiveness. She was a young girl and God takes everything into account. In the end, none of us have any idea what happened to her as it wasn’t our call.


25 posted on 09/24/2016 3:10:11 PM PDT by brucedickinson
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To: Cicero
May God forgive her. Suicide is the one unforgiveable sin, since it’s usually too late to repent. But perhaps she didn’t really know what she was doing. May God have mercy on her soul.

May God have mercy on you by not requiring you to suffer as she did.

Fools charge in where angels fear to tread was never more applicable.

32 posted on 09/24/2016 3:37:18 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Cicero
I agree with Dr. Ablow that it would have been better to strongly advocate for other alternatives, including advances meds for pain management and depression. These conditions are treatable: and as I understand it, such meds are neither burdensome nor futile.

Finding a reason to live --- for the good of herself or for a good example to others --- even one more week, one month, one year, is also a very good thing to advanceas a positive alternative. I'm thinking she might have liked to make a music video...? With a favorite artist?

OTOH I'm not fully convinced that removing a vent is suicide, if the vent itself is terribly burdensome. I have some experience with this type of medical judgment (my own and my mother's) and in both cases, I believe we were right to go forward with the ventilator, despite the fact that it was rather ghastly and in my mother's case --- as it turned out --- futile.

Is removing a vent suicide? I could be persuaded either way. It is not morally obligatory to accept burdensome and futile treatment. And ventilation is not what's considered basic palliative care, which I think is always morally obligatory.

Comments?

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More discussion may help clarify this for me.

44 posted on 09/24/2016 4:50:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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To: Cicero
May God forgive her. Suicide is the one unforgiveable sin

She had a ventilator removed. That can hardly be called "suicide". Suicide is when your body is currently able to sustain itself, without the intervention of outside heroic measure, and yet you still take your own life. And yes, suicide is sin.

45 posted on 09/24/2016 5:12:11 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: Cicero

This was not suicide. She was being kept alive by non organic methods. An electric ventilator. I would have requested the same thing

It’s a very difficult discussion and decision. But, her soul is not compromised by this decision !


46 posted on 09/24/2016 5:14:59 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Cicero

She was a child in pain, the fault lies with the doctors and parents who allowed this.


51 posted on 09/24/2016 5:29:18 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery, Never Schumer, Never Pelosi)
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To: Cicero

Chronic pain at 14. To much too soon.


54 posted on 09/24/2016 6:24:04 PM PDT by Mark was here
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To: Cicero

This young lady did not commit suicide! Our Lord had a plan to her life and destiny and she just allowed His wishes to come true.


56 posted on 09/24/2016 7:33:12 PM PDT by Cupiara
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To: Cicero
Suicide is the one unforgiveable sin,

How is this suicide if she died of natural causes? She was kept alive by a machine. Once the machine was disconnected she died.

And on another note, where in the bible does it say that suicide is the one unforgivable sin? I was taught the only unforgivable sin was to blasphemy GOD.

62 posted on 09/26/2016 2:19:08 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Don't let the hate-mongers win.)
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