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Retired police officer sets CNN panel straight on Tulsa shooting
wnd.com ^ | 9/22/2013 | Paul Bremmer

Posted on 09/23/2016 7:29:56 AM PDT by rktman

Amid a climate of confusion and anger, retired police officer Jeff Roorda lent his pro-police perspective to CNN’s analysis of the shooting of Terence Crutcher in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

While video footage shows Crutcher with his hands up only seconds before Officer Betty Shelby fired the fatal shot, Roorda cautioned against rushing to condemn the officer, particularly given what already is known about the suspect.

“Let’s wait for all the information before we reach some judgment,” Roorda told host Don Lemon during a Tuesday appearance on CNN Tonight. “And I think what we know so far is that this gentleman did not have his hands up when the officer shot him. We know that he was very likely under the influence of a controlled substance.”

In case developments on Thursday, the officer was charged with first-degree manslaughter.

District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charges Shelby, 42, and her lawyer was arranging for her to surrender.

Lemon noted that until autopsy results are released, it won’t be known if Crutcher was under the influence, but Roorda warned against drawing hasty conclusions anyway.

“We’re fine with rushing to judgment on the police officer, but we don’t want to rush to judgment on the suspect,” Roorda chided. “But they did find PCP in his car.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: badshoot; overstep
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“We know that he was very likely under the influence of a controlled substance.” (From the article)

No, we don’t know that. The police say they found PCP in the car and it’s not like they’d plant drugs to cover up a bad shoot, would they? I’ll wait for the autopsy report before I buy the “fact” that the man was on PCP...and keep in mind that this came from the shooter’s ‘expertise’ after she’d attended a one-day seminar on the subject. I suppose now I’m an expert in firearms since I attended a one-day firearms safety class.

The nonsense about the charges that were laid against the man in 2006/2007 and that were DROPPED has absolutely no bearing on the man getting killed nine years later. This much is simple character assassination meant to take people to the conclusion that it was okay for a US citizen to face summary execution on a public road.

Even the officer’s own police chief is saying this shoot is indefensible so is he lying? Is he wrong and she’s right? I’d think the chief of police would be a pretty good judge of what happened since he’s going to have to face the music for the civil suit he made possible.


41 posted on 09/23/2016 8:14:15 AM PDT by MeganC (JE SUIS CHARLES MARTEL!!!)
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To: rey

Who was the old warrior who liked to be called America’s most decorated soldier. The name escapes me but I read his book years ago and he claimed as much. He said when he got a captured NVA or VC he would sit them down, give them a cigarette, a bowl of ice cream. In fifteen minutes they would tell him everything.


42 posted on 09/23/2016 8:14:17 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: rktman

BLM has spent all of their money. They can only pay enough rioters for one city at a time.


43 posted on 09/23/2016 8:14:41 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: rktman

It’s possible SHE could skate (as a mere mistake does not add up to a crime) but there will be either a civil judgment or a settlement.

If I were family I wouldn’t be proud that my brother or whoever was buzzed to the point of delirium on some drug, which appears to be the case, but might use the settlement to found a drug rehab program. Our modern bans do precious little to stop a determined abuser.


44 posted on 09/23/2016 8:14:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: TTFlyer

Why do we even have tazers at all then? Why not just blithely blame the shootee, and shoot?


45 posted on 09/23/2016 8:15:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: TTFlyer

“But if you don’t obey the cop’s orders you take a chance with your life.”

Yes, but that does not absolve the cop from criminal responsibility.


46 posted on 09/23/2016 8:15:42 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: rktman

No. Tulsa and OK don’t take no $h!7 from Soros’ BLM. And they know it


47 posted on 09/23/2016 8:17:14 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MeganC

It sounds like these rednecks (of whatever color) are more level headed than Chicago, where we have seeming executions of subjects that have been well and truly downed already.

Maybe they actually believe what they hear in the church.


48 posted on 09/23/2016 8:17:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Delta 21

“Why is his hands already up when the film starts?”

This is now a prudent act for anyone confronted by terrified and armed law enforcement.

“Why is the officer on the passenger side of the car with her gun drawn?”

Because she was terrified of the large black man who had his hands up.


49 posted on 09/23/2016 8:18:45 AM PDT by MeganC (JE SUIS CHARLES MARTEL!!!)
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To: Timpanagos1
We don't know that Betty Shelby lied. We only have the story that her lawyer told everyone in a public statement.
50 posted on 09/23/2016 8:20:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Is all of that experience from your watching a lot of TJ Hooker episodes?


51 posted on 09/23/2016 8:21:24 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In Tulsa there’s nothing to protest. The good cops didn’t open fire on an unarmed man and the bad cop is going to face justice for killing someone whose only crime was to have his car stall in the middle of the road. That’s the way it’s supposed to work and who can complain about it?


52 posted on 09/23/2016 8:21:47 AM PDT by MeganC (JE SUIS CHARLES MARTEL!!!)
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To: DesertRhino

I do not pollute my mind with such things. I do give quite much weight to Donald Trump’s own reaction, he called it “choking.” And to the facts that have her averring to the public, through her lawyer, that a closed window was open.


53 posted on 09/23/2016 8:22:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

How could a lawyer come up with such a boner?


54 posted on 09/23/2016 8:24:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Bratch

“What names do you suppose the Japanese pilots were calling the inhabitants of Pearl Harbor during their attack?”

And who won that name calling contest? The ones who treated people more humanely.


55 posted on 09/23/2016 8:24:23 AM PDT by rey
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To: HiTech RedNeck

He’s a lawyer. That’s part of his job. He may not be the lawyer who represents her through a trial, either.


56 posted on 09/23/2016 8:25:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: rey

There are always people who want to bust through to “Hell wins.”

God grants them a resting place at where they thought the victory was.


57 posted on 09/23/2016 8:26:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

And what is going to be publicly thought of this woman now? 99% won’t say “This is a lawyer being a lawyer, lying with impunity.” They will say “She’s a lying beeotch with the cheek to tell her lawyer to say this.”


58 posted on 09/23/2016 8:27:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Timpanagos1

“and remarkably, they can find no cases of a person without a gun shooting a police officer.”

Your trite opinion ignores that hundreds of cops have died when they were incorrect about a person being “without a gun”. It isn’t as binary as you think....with, without.
There are people who work very hard to convince you that they have a gun when they don’t. Others look like they have a gun, and its an innocent situation like a toy. And yet others have a gun and are carefully leading you to believe that they don’t.
This 275 pounder 6 foot plus size jackass was high on PCP and could have done anything.
Despite todays hit movies, he was not someone that a any normal cop would be able to subdue.
With all the variables, tragic outcomes happen in the margins. Cops get shot, and a few innocents get shot.


59 posted on 09/23/2016 8:30:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: rktman
What? Wait for all the details? WTH? Anyway, from what appears to be a wrongful shoot, I just have to ask, is there any rioting in Tulsa? From what appears to be a lawful shoot in Charlotte, we see a 3rd night of out of state agitators causing problems and committing various crimes in "protest". Were there no buses to Tulsa or something?

Soros and company didn't have their professional rioters pre-positioned in Tulsa like they did in Charlotte.

60 posted on 09/23/2016 8:31:59 AM PDT by zeugma (Welcome to the "interesting times" you were warned about.)
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