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Why Now is the Right Time to Talk About Ethanol
Townhall.com ^ | September 2, 2016 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 09/02/2016 5:02:02 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Gaffer

There is a detailed report on it at the website in pdf form I believe. It actually cooled combustion temps of ethanol treated gasoline due to ethanol’s higher burn temps.

Mileage and efficiency I’m not up on. Though I have noticed longer run times by a small margin. I’ve used it for 3 years now in my JD lawn tractor and in every other small engine of I have and problems have been nil for years.

Their Mechanic in a Bottle product allowed me to save a new generator that I had stored for 10 months with Sta-Bil that had failed to preserve the gas.

I drained the gas and added new with MIB. 5 pulls with ignition off and let set overnight. Unit ran perfectly in the morning. Those EPA carbs are throwaways so it saved me some money. I figured it had a partially blocked jet that Sea Foam and Chemtool wouldn’t touch after many tries.

Also try the MIB in a lousy running chainsaw or other two cycle. More often than not it will run a hell of a lot better after treatment. Home Defect has them all.

Running unleaded in those old engines can also crater the valve seats and guides.

Also had a friend’s outboard that routinely ran lousy and the MIB cleared it up immensely. It actually idles now where it would stall regularly.

Its all worth a try and give it an honest chance.


101 posted on 09/02/2016 7:45:24 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Kaslin

I just tried a tank of no-ethenol unleaded and got +3 MPG over my usual gas.


102 posted on 09/02/2016 7:45:24 AM PDT by Blogatron (...and the train it won't stop going, no way to slow down.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I recnetly travelled through Iowa and stopped to get gas. After I filled up I realized it was the 15% Ethanol stuff. It was cheaper that the 10% stuff. My milage dropped 2 MPGs!


103 posted on 09/02/2016 7:46:24 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: headstamp 2

I think I’d try it on a small engine. Not sure about a car/truck with a big gas tank. Thank you for the link, however.


104 posted on 09/02/2016 7:48:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I’ve used the MIB in my truck. I wait until I have roughly 5 gallons left in tank and then nuke it with a couple bottles once a year.


105 posted on 09/02/2016 7:52:55 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Gaffer

I am sure it has been a great boom for the producers of fuel stabilizer products. Stabil, Seafoam, etc I am sure have had huge increases in sales in the last few years.


106 posted on 09/02/2016 7:56:10 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Kaslin

FIRST RULE OF CIVILIZATION:

DON’T BURN YOUR FOOD!.................


107 posted on 09/02/2016 8:01:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: bert
In Tennessee we make ethanol and age it in charred oak barrels

it is sold as Jack Daniels black label

I've seen those warehouses. It's like a "strategic ethanol reserve".

108 posted on 09/02/2016 8:05:40 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: jaydubya2

A gallon of ethanol has 60% of the BTUs of a gallon of gasoline, meaning you will get 40% less mileage from a gallon of ethanol compared to a gallon of gasoline.

That means you will get 4% less mileage from a 10% blend, and 6% less mileage from a 15% blend.

Theoretically.


109 posted on 09/02/2016 8:22:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Gaffer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol

Cellulosic ethanol has advantages:

Production of ethanol from lignocellulose has the advantage of abundant and diverse raw material compared to sources such as corn and cane sugars, but requires a greater amount of processing to make the sugar monomers available to the microorganisms typically used to produce ethanol by fermentation. Switchgrass and Miscanthus are the major biomass materials being studied today, due to their high productivity per acre. Cellulose, however, is contained in nearly every natural, free-growing plant, tree, and bush, in meadows, forests, and fields all over the world without agricultural effort or cost needed to make it grow.

One of the benefits of cellulosic ethanol is it reduces greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) by 85% over reformulated gasoline. By contrast, starch ethanol (e.g., from corn), which most frequently uses natural gas to provide energy for the process, may not reduce GHG emissions at all depending on how the starch-based feedstock is produced.

But:

According to the National Academy of Sciences in 2011, there is no commercially viable bio-refinery in existence to convert lignocellulosic biomass to fuel. [...] These issues, along with many other difficult production challenges, led George Washington University policy researchers to state that "in the short term, [cellulosic] ethanol cannot meet the energy security and environmental goals of a gasoline alternative."

110 posted on 09/02/2016 8:22:47 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Gaffer

Gaffer, Av-Gas is ethanol free. Guys with Auto Fuel STC’s and homebuilders with fibreglass fuel tanks found out the effects real quick. It ate away at o-rings and they had to go to VITON seals and the fuel tanks decomposed, which lead too clogged fuel lines etc. & emergency landings.


111 posted on 09/02/2016 8:47:23 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: Gaffer

“To me, food resource planting should have nothing to do with energy sources other than human/animal sustenance.”

Yes, but in this instance corn is both.
So scratch it off the energy source list and there will be openings in the food resource sustenance list.
Farmers do have to make a living.


112 posted on 09/02/2016 8:49:45 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: aumrl

It isn’t up to me to subsidize that living


113 posted on 09/02/2016 9:04:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Yes, the effects vary. On 2 cycles the very thin plastic gaskets, flapper valves and rubber hoses and gaskets tend to degrade. I have extensively researched, replaced and now have rebuild kits for all of them.

Yep - and even though you can find carburetor rebuild kits that now contain materials that are more tolerant of ethanol, and even the Gates "green stripe" fuel line that won't quickly go rigid and crumbly - there are still fuel system parts that are vulnerable. The flexible diaphragms in mechanical fuel pumps are a good example of "gotchas" where E-10+ can strike.

114 posted on 09/02/2016 9:28:16 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Gaffer

so grow your own food or stop eating


115 posted on 09/02/2016 10:01:34 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: aumrl

Inane justification for ethanol


116 posted on 09/02/2016 10:05:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: aumrl

I understand that is what farmers tend to do, which makes sense.

But it makes me wonder why corn yields are consistently high enough to offset population growth and conversion into ethanol. Hopefully it’s not do to genetically modified farming and all that.

Or maybe people are not eating corn the way they used to?


117 posted on 09/02/2016 10:09:29 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: BitWielder1

I did a major paper in college on ethanol, when it was in its infancy (known as gasohol).It was awarded tax relief to give it a chance to overcome it’s deficiencies, develop it and make it economically viable. Imagine my surprise almost 25 years later when it had not overcome its deficiencies and had not proven to be economically viable, yet the federal government MANDATED its use!


118 posted on 09/02/2016 10:45:01 AM PDT by gnickgnack2 (eing thisQUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Paulie

I am not in favor of ethanol.
All crops have been modified.
No, I am not eating as much corn this summer as it is around $5/doz.


119 posted on 09/02/2016 11:35:34 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Kaslin

Forget the damage ethanol laced gasoline does to internal combustion engines, the economy, food stocks, food prices and the climate!

At a more practical level, why would any sentinent person pour perfectly good corn whiskey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_whiskey) into a gas tank?

That alone is reason not to grow corn for any purposes other than for human and animal food and for humans to drink!


120 posted on 09/02/2016 11:46:44 AM PDT by Taxman ((H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.))
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