Posted on 08/20/2016 4:09:51 AM PDT by SolidWood
Turkey's parliament on Saturday approved a reconciliation agreement signed with Israel in June which has brought a six-year rift between the two regional powers to an end.
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Turkey and Israel have for most of the time been buddy-buddy, but the interesting thing is how will relations with Israel figure in Turkey's mending of relations with Russia & Iran and vice-versa.
millions of soldiers fried on the mountains north of israel... according to the bible... and what appears to be a radioactive or bio warfare so severe and complete it takes a full seven years just to mark all the bodies for removal.
thats my guess.
Turkey just wants the latest Israeli mil gear - especially its drones and its anti missile armor systems.
Estoy muy confused....Turkey is ruled by an Islamist who thinks he’s the Sultan who is cozying up to the Russians and now wants to repair bridges with the hated Zionists. Just add Kurds to make it more interesting.
Oops - just remembered. Turks don’t like Arabs. Not ay-tall. Compared to Arabs, Jews are a pleasure. And there are 300 million plus Arabs in the region.
The Middle East - where nothing is what it seems to be for the last five thousand years.
Yeah.
Just how is this Israel/Newly-Muslim Turkey thing supposed to work out?
Don’t be confused. Muslim and Jewish interests have always battled Christianity.
Explain.
Israel is getting more budy buddy will Putin.
My two cents comes first from my reading of David Ben Gurion’s recollections from the early 1960’s.
When Israel’s first Prime Minister and one of its key founding father’s arrived in Israel around 1900 the territory was Turkish controlled and part of the Ottoman Empire.
Ben Gurion and other Jews went to Turkey (the mother country) studied Turkish, studied Turkish law etc. etc.
There is a tradition of closeness between the Jews of Israel and Turks, but Erdogan’s Turkey gives me really bad vibes.
But still I’m not excited at all about the Israeli-Turkish friendship at all.
I think Israel’s propaganda organs have deliberately tried to downplay this.
Debka was claiming on its site in an article recently published that a Russian-Turkish-Iranian alliance was forming.
Then we see this apparent appeasement going on at the direction of the Israeli government?????
On the surface, it seems rather strange. I suspect the Zionists and the rising Sunni Caliphate of Turkey are making nice together since they have a common enemy - Shiite Islam centered in Iran. It’s the old “the enemy of my enemy...” Middle East way of doing things.
Here is the reason, from the article:
“an agreement which is partly driven by the prospect of lucrative Mediterranean gas deals.”
Erdogan is still an islamist - it is not a change of heart.
However Turkey is also moving closer to Iran and Iran’s main backer is Russia.
Russia is showing no signs of giving up on Iran and Assad for the sake of mending relations with Turkey (or Israel). Infact the Sunni Islamist proxies supported by Turkey (and to some extent Israel... something many here prefer to ignore) and the Sunni Arab states, are wiped out by the Russian-Syrian-Iranian forces (good riddance!).
So far Israel and Turkey have played along with Saudi-Barbaria, Qatar and Co. in aiding the Sunni Islamist against Iranian/Shia power in the region but Israel and Turkey probably have realized by now that there is no way of toppling Assad.
If I were an optimist, I’d see a “Pax Russica” forming gradually. Russia as the new Superpower involved in the Middle East would oversee a truce/balance (despite inevitable tensions) between Turkey, Iran (+ Iraq, Syria, Lebanon), the Kurdish region and Israel.
If all those regional forces involved would play along, it would be a quite good scenario.
The world enemy is Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni Islam - created, nourished and supported by Saudi-Barbaria, Qatar and Co.
The slowly forming Russian-Iranian-Turkish(-Israeli) balance would be a devastating blow to Saudi-Barbaria and Co.
However every one of the powers involved in the region could throw a monkey-wrench in it - for one reason or another. They of course mistrust each other, none are “good” and there is probably a lot of backroom dealing, double-crossing and trachery going on.
Ditto. Explain.
“The world enemy is Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni Islam - created, nourished and supported by Saudi-Barbaria, Qatar and Co.”
Very true! They fund the building of Mosques and Madrasas around the world and train the radical Imams. Unfortunately, Uncle Sam turns a blind eye to their deprivations due to the fact they still price their oil in Dollar$$. Also known as the “Petrol Dollar”. Without it, the dollar tanks, taking the U.S. economy with it.
Geez, why don’t we all get out our copies of The Protocols of The Elders of Zion? That’ll explain everything plus it includes a recipe for making matzoh from the blood of Palestinian children.
The World Jewish Cabal which controls worldwide finance and communications, how could we have forgotten it’s still there? Meeting annually at the Bilderberg Hotel.
Not a conspiracy buff if you can tell. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and Al Qaeda brought down the Twin Towers. And the IDF kicks Arab @zz whenever necessary.
Meanwhile, Turkey’s a mixed bag; Kemal Ataturk’s secularism is still the majority view with or without Sultan Erdogan.
Indeed there is a far-reaching and long-standing connection between Jews/Israel and Turkey, reaching back to the Ottoman empire. Few are aware of it and many prefer to see everything as Jews+Christians versus Islam. It more often than not was Christians versus Islam+Jews (see the Crusades).
There was a huge influx of Sephardi Jews from Spain and Portugal who fled to the Ottoman Empire after the Catholic Reconquista 1492. A number of them converted (some only on surface - the so called “Dönmeh”) to Sunni Islam after the failure of the messianic movement of Sabbatai Zvi.
Jews also supported before WW1 the “Young Turk” reform movement (whose leaders were responsible for the Armenian genocide).
The pro-Ottoman policies of the German Empire before and during WW1 was in no small part the work of Jews (who were very hostile to the Russian Empire): the German “Intelligence Bureau for the East” where Mid-East policies were shaped, was led by Max von Oppenheim and Eugen Mittwoch. One of the operatives was the Zionist activist Nahum Goldmann. The “Intelligence Bureau for the East” deviced the idea that the Ottoman sultan in his function as Sunni caliph should call for “global Jihad” against the Entente powers - this was largely the branchild of Oppenheim.
Also one the great armament and financial suppliers of the Ottoman Empire under the “Young Turk” regime was the Russian-born Jew Israil Helphand (aka Alexander Parvus)... who also played a key role in getting the German Empire’s secret service to smuggle Lenin with a load of Gold to the Russia and kick off the Bolshevist take-over.
To this day Ottoman historigraphy in the West is strongly shaped by Jewish authors, who mostly take a pro-Ottoman, pro-Turkish stance.
This won’t go down well with many here: the most prominent deniers of the Genocide of Armenians (Bernard Lewis, Stanford Shaw, Guenter Lewy, Norman Itzkovitz etc.) or apologists of other Ottoman-Turkish atrocities (Mark Mazower) are indeed Jewish authors/historians.
It was also for decades the pro-Israel forces in the US (i.e. Tom Lantos, Joe Lieberman, the ADL etc.) which supported the denial of the Genocide of Armenians.
The reason was mostly political - Turkey was deemed an important ally of Israel (since the Cold War, Kemalist Turkey was Israel’s chief regional ally).
However I don’t suggest that there is an uniform Jewish bias towards the Turkish side. I’d like to point out that also among the critics of the Turkish denialists were prominent Jewish/Israeli historians and scientists, such as Elie Wiesel and Irving Horowitz.
But yes... there is a Jewish-Turkish connection that can’t be ignored.
If to some this all is “surprising”... please go ahead and read up. The names mentioned above are a good starting point. History is full of surprises and sometimes doesn’t fit neat ideological shibboleths.
A lot of Jews were pro-German prior to WWI both in the Middle East and in the U.S. Got that.
Today there are but 18,000 Jews in Turkey, mostly in Istanbul. There were once large though persecuted Jewish populations in most of the Arab World. Then look up what happened to the Jews of Egypt after the Six Day War.
Jews wielding influence in Ottoman Turkey go back to the reign of Sultan Sulieman who decreed that competence trumped religion & even a Jew could be appointed Grand Vizier.
Linking modern Realpolitik between Turkey & Israel with machinations in Asia Minor more than a century ago is problematic; denying the Armenian Genocide nowadays is little different from denying the Holocaust. Nationalist-minded Turks see that differently, got that too.
Lastly, is Recip Tayip (SwelledHead) Erdogan a real Islamist or just a cynical exploiter of that hateful ideology? ISIS isn’t used to being told “I’m more Muslim than you!”
Erdogan is in my opinion a cynical exploiter and Machiavellian cunner... but mixed with heavy-handed clumsiness, a verrry thin skin and a huuuge chip on the shoulder (rather typical of many Turks one has to say).
But he has such a wonderful new palace!
As for chip on the shoulder it used to be the Greeks who wielded “anticolonialist attitude”. Yanks who experienced it were pleasantly surprised by the pro Western-ness of the Turks. Ataturk was still a living memory.
See what just a little Islam does for the soul?
;^)
Agreed with all you posted. They just can’t help themselves.
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