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Some interesting re-alingments underway in the region.

Turkey and Israel have for most of the time been buddy-buddy, but the interesting thing is how will relations with Israel figure in Turkey's mending of relations with Russia & Iran and vice-versa.

1 posted on 08/20/2016 4:09:51 AM PDT by SolidWood
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millions of soldiers fried on the mountains north of israel... according to the bible... and what appears to be a radioactive or bio warfare so severe and complete it takes a full seven years just to mark all the bodies for removal.

thats my guess.


2 posted on 08/20/2016 4:12:25 AM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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Turkey just wants the latest Israeli mil gear - especially its drones and its anti missile armor systems.


3 posted on 08/20/2016 4:44:35 AM PDT by PIF (Luna)
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Estoy muy confused....Turkey is ruled by an Islamist who thinks he’s the Sultan who is cozying up to the Russians and now wants to repair bridges with the hated Zionists. Just add Kurds to make it more interesting.

Oops - just remembered. Turks don’t like Arabs. Not ay-tall. Compared to Arabs, Jews are a pleasure. And there are 300 million plus Arabs in the region.

The Middle East - where nothing is what it seems to be for the last five thousand years.


4 posted on 08/20/2016 6:30:55 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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Israel is getting more budy buddy will Putin.


8 posted on 08/20/2016 7:55:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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On the surface, it seems rather strange. I suspect the Zionists and the rising Sunni Caliphate of Turkey are making nice together since they have a common enemy - Shiite Islam centered in Iran. It’s the old “the enemy of my enemy...” Middle East way of doing things.


10 posted on 08/20/2016 11:46:26 AM PDT by Tours
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Here is the reason, from the article:

“an agreement which is partly driven by the prospect of lucrative Mediterranean gas deals.”

Erdogan is still an islamist - it is not a change of heart.


11 posted on 08/20/2016 1:17:29 PM PDT by BeauBo
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You are correct about Russia allied with Iran and Syria.

These are avowed enemies of Israel, which have only ever sought to destroy Israel and kill the Jewish people, as well as anyone who is friendly toward Israel.

Keep in mind, historically, several Czars (including Czar Nickolas II) and the Soviet Communist severely persecuted Jews. Even under Boris Yeltsin some of the few remaining synagogue’s in Moscow and Russia were eliminated. Although there may be a couple yet symbolically remaining.

There is recent player on the block immediately in this region to consider as well.

Russia has a joint common defense treaty with China, and has given formal approval to China to put ground forces in Syria in the past couple of weeks. Additionally, China is vastly expanding dual purpose military efforts in Iraq and Djibouti at the southern end of the Red Sea.

Regarding Turkey, there may or may not be some back and forth with Ankara, but Turkey appears to be moving much more formally into a Russian alliance, or at least a stronger Russian led geopolitical association. I don’t know the timing, but many analyst do not believe Turkey will remain in NATO.

The Turkish population is almost entirely Muslim, and against Israel.

This becomes a dramatic shift and new defining factor, as Turkey’s recent secular run military was truly more dependable for NATO, and much more likely to refrain from attacking Israel, even while often not helping Israel.

Now however, the secular led Turkish military hierarchy has been replaced (some killed/some imprisoned) with religious Muslims now in control of the Turkish military, while under a much more strict Muslim dictator.

Each of these countries have consistently sought to damage Israel in the UN as well.

All of these factors are real, and Israel cannot afford to fall for (what can only be) an attempt by Ankara to get Israel to soften its strategically defensive stance in the near future.

At the end of the day, this can only be some kind of cruel joke -


22 posted on 08/20/2016 8:19:28 PM PDT by patriotfury (May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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Even more surprising are recent changes to the Saudi-Israel relationship:

“Israel, Saudi Arabia Cooperating to Plan Possible Iran Attack. Saudis would allow Israel use of air space and provide dones, rescue helicopters and tanker planes, report says.”

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.558512


25 posted on 08/20/2016 8:45:02 PM PDT by Tours
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This whole thing simply cannot be trusted.

As most already know Turkey is almost 98% Muslim, with about 72-73% being Sunni.

Both Sunni and Shiite Muslim nations have called for the destruction of Israel. Some (Iran/Syria) have remained proactive in this endeavor since 1948.

While there has long been much deception and posturing from governments around the world in the ME theater, Erdogan has seemingly taken the deception to the next level, and really appears to be moving into some type of alliance with Russia. We shall see.

While not the most important development, I also believe this will be evidenced at some point by the US moving out of Incirlik Air Base.

At the end of the day, I believe the new budding alliances between Russia, Syria, Turkey, Iran, and possibly Libya (again) are very much strategic and with goal’s, and appear to be countering the US, Saudi-spherical, NATO alliance.

In almost every “axis & allies” alliance structure there are jurisdictions caught in the middle.

In the ME region, as long as Muslims are fighting Muslims, the more secular friendly and democratic governments may benefit to a degree, as they themselves may temporarily not be the focus of larger attacks. However, as the larger alliances become more defined, it can force those not already part of an alliance to take sides (possibly Jordan/Egypt?).

How this plays out is interesting.

Just a few more details to include in the calculus.

To date, Iran, Russia, and China have military personnel on the ground at various points in Iraq. This ostensibly includes 100,000 Iranian soldiers in Iraq. Iranian soldiers have been on the ground in Syria as well. Additionally, while Russia is getting closer to helping Iran finish their nuclear capability, has sold or placed S-300 and S-400 missile systems in Syria and Iran, and has had, for nearly 2 years, an expanded “no fly zone” (reportedly up to 160km wide)

While all of this posturing is taking place, Russia has increased significantly its naval presence in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea. While the US has not stopped, Moscow has made it clear it does not want any US Navy in the Black Sea. This is happening at roughly the same time Moscow has increased its naval presence in the Mediterranean to be roughly equal in numbers to all of NATOs naval vessel presence. This is happening at the same time Russia is placing additional infantry and armored divisions on the Ukrainian border, and there are military buildups taking place on both sides all the way to the North Sea.


26 posted on 08/20/2016 9:53:46 PM PDT by patriotfury (May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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Erdogan looked down at the abyss at his feet, and decided that it would be better to step back away from terrorism and Islamofascism.


32 posted on 08/21/2016 4:54:17 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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