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1 posted on 08/12/2016 9:04:56 PM PDT by jimluke01
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That is the most backhanded obtuse endorsement of Trump I have ever seen.


2 posted on 08/12/2016 9:08:47 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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Let us say I need to hire a plumber as my pipes are burst and the house if flooding.

But I read in the Bible and learn the righteousness of all men (except for Jesus Christ) is but filthy rags.

If I refuse to hire a plumber to fix the pipes based on the idea of given a choice between two evils choose neither, than I guess I should not fix them myself because my own righteousness is like filthy rags. Nor should I let anyone fix them, and just let the house flood and pray that Jesus come back early and fix them.

If this is my approach, then I deserve to have my house flooded.

Instead, let us say I decide that I will hire a plumber who is a sinner and have a choice:

Choice A) Thinks the pipes are fine, and was the assistant to my previous plumber who broke the pipes while telling me the pipes are just fine. An email record shows that this plumber has sold my pipes for personal profit, though they have lied about their guilt and insist that there is not water in the house and its all good.

Choice B) Is somebody who curses and swears about how awful the previous plumber and the whole company of crappy plumbers have messed up my house and has promised to make it a great house again. But the news media gives him bad press for swearing too much and seems to hate him irrationally, as do the dishonest plumbers and they are always slandering him...claiming he paints such a dark picture of everything, and there really is not plumbing issue and he is just a crank.

Whatever should I do?

3 posted on 08/12/2016 9:13:39 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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Hope no one loses count of how many angels are on that pin but guess what? Some sleeves up conservatives were Trumping in West Hollywood today. Good job, Baked Alaska and Pizza Party Ben:


4 posted on 08/12/2016 9:14:23 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Globalism = Terrorism)
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I see Alan Keyes chimed in on the comment section.
Dear Mr Keyes, we are electing the next president, not the next Pope.

I really get tired of the “holier than thou” types. They are so busy going over the small stuff and ignore the big picture. The country is going to hell and they’d be perfectly happy help send it there because they haven’t found perfection in a candidate.


6 posted on 08/12/2016 9:21:23 PM PDT by dragonblustar (“Go Back to Mama!… And Your Mother’s Voting for Trump!”)
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Sophie’s Choice.


7 posted on 08/12/2016 9:24:23 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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9 posted on 08/12/2016 9:41:13 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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Yes, the quote sounds like morally righteous counsel, because the implication is that a lesser evil is a type of evil, so by choosing it you are still choosing evil.

But there is an inherent fallacy when there is no non evil alternative. Let’s say you are deciding between robbing either a poor family or a corrupt corporation, and you use the ‘lesser of two evils’ argument to justify robbing the corrupt corporation.

This is wrong because there is a third non evil alternative: Rob no one. In this case the preacher who said “choose neither” is right.

In the example of the children or the foot, however, the father has no non evil alternative. A good father would choose to have his foot cut off, if doing so is the only way he can spare the murder of his children. The preacher would be wrong to say “choose neither” in this example.

When it comes to the 2016 election, if you are convinced (as I am) that either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will become President whether you vote or not, then there is no third alternative. (Note that you not voting dies NOT offer a third alternative as President).

So, even I f you are convinced both candidates are evil, but that Trump is the lesser evil, it is your moral duty to vote for the lesser evil, since there is no way that withholding your vote will prevent one of the two from becoming President.

Worse yet, if you believe Trump, although evil, is less evil, then withholding your lesser of two evils vote (which would be for Trump) will actually increase the odds of Clinton winning, and you will have empowered evil. In voting scenarios, the “do not choose the lesser of two evils” argument is a false dilemma.

Finally, the whole discussion is ridiculous and moot, since Clinton is the only evil candidate of the two.

Go Trump Go!


10 posted on 08/12/2016 9:47:15 PM PDT by enumerated
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First of all, no person is “an evil,” not even a politician.

It is conceivable that some person could be MORE evil than Hillary. I can’t think of anyone. But if such a person existed, and was running against Hillary, I would vote for Hillary. I believe she wants all Americans dead in four years, and I would vote for her rather than somebody who wanted us all dead in six months.

Donald Trump is a great, public sinner. But he doesn’t want all Americans dead, and gives every sign that, in fact, he loves the country and its inhabitants.

That’s good enough for me. I will vote for the adulterer, and fully expect that he will execute the office of the Presidency in such a way as to thwart the Muslim and Southern Invasion, encourage prosperity, and revive religious liberty. And MAYBE do something about the evil of the “legality” of abortion—which threatens our entire Constitutional order and EVERY human life.


11 posted on 08/12/2016 9:50:29 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Unless Christ Jesus is on the ballot, the choice will always be the “lesser of two evils”.

But it’s a false dichotomy. Let’s look at the Bible and see what we can find about this issue.

In chapter 5 of the second books of Kings, we find the story of a military officer named Naaman who served the king of Aram. Naaman was widely respected and honored for his military prowess and courage, but he developed leprosy. During some of the raids that Aram made against Israel, an Israeli girl was captured and given to Naaman as a slave. When he was afflicted with leprosy, the slave girl told Naaman about the prophet Elisha, who could heal him.

The king of Aram agreed to send Naaman with gifts to the king of Israel to be healed. He eventually found Elisha and though he became irritated with the way Elisha treated him, he found his faith and the Lord healed him.

When Elisha refused payment for healing Naaman, the officer made two requests of Elisha:

“If you will not,” said Naaman, “please let me, your servant, be given as much earth as a pair of mules can carry, for your servant will never again make burnt offerings and sacrifices to any other god but the LORD. But may the LORD forgive your servant for this one thing: When my master enters the temple of Rimmon to bow down and he is leaning on my arm and I have to bow there also—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the LORD forgive your servant for this.”


Namaan knew that he had encountered the true God and he made a solemn oath that he would only make sacrifices to the God of Elisha. But he also understood that he had a civic duty to his king because of his position. He knew that he would have to not only enter the temple to another god, but he would have to bow to the idol as well. He knew it was an offense against the God of Israel, so he asked for forgiveness.

Now consider this. In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus says the following to the people of Nazareth when they rejected his message:

“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”


How would those who say they cannot vote for “the lesser of two evils” answer Naaman when he asked for forgiveness in advance of bowing to an idol? Is there not an obligation to make choices we would rather not make, and to interact with a culture and society we would rather not interact with?


12 posted on 08/12/2016 9:52:11 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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http://m.townhall.com/columnists/waynegrudem/2016/07/28/why-voting-for-donald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-n2199564

Every thinking Christian should read the article in the link above.

Jesus will never run for President so we will always only have flawed candidates.

Get off your high horse people and get real.

It’s either Hillary or Trump.

Patriots and those who care about the fate of this country will choose Trump.


13 posted on 08/12/2016 9:57:16 PM PDT by Romans Nine
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Anyone scratching his head and fretting over whether to support Trump or Clinton was dropped from a great height onto that head as a small child.
This article is nonsense.


16 posted on 08/12/2016 10:26:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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Why is this even an issue? The choice is clear.

One Candidate wants the United States to remain a Sovereign Nation with defined Borders and an effective Immigration Policy that does not reward Lawlessness, the other does not.

One Candidate thinks the Constitution is a Living Document and will seat Liberal Justices to the SCOTUS to insure it will be rendered hollow while the other has Pledged to seat Justices such as the Late Justice Scalia who respect the Founders vision and are not considered Activists.

One Respects Religious Liberty and the other despises it.

Those never Trumpers should just off themselves. All they fear is losing Money and Power which is more important to them than the survival of The Republic.


18 posted on 08/12/2016 10:45:28 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Hillary Clinton has killed four more People than Three Mile Island.)
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Yes why vote for the lesser of 2 evils and risk getting the greater of 2 evils. Makes perfect sense. /sarcasm

It has worked so wonderfully for the last 2 presidential elections.

19 posted on 08/12/2016 10:49:11 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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The lesser of two evils is still evil. However, I don’t see Donald Trump as evil. Therefore the choice is simple for me.


20 posted on 08/12/2016 10:58:59 PM PDT by murron
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Trump isn’t evil. Hes simply did that once very American thing to do. He speaks his mind unapologetically. Hillary on the other hand has without question broken multiple federal laws with just her email server which did have classified information on it. No other person at the state dept would’ve gotten away with this kind of violation. Now we have enough evidence that points to a pay for play arrangement at the State Dept involving the Clinton Foundation and Speaking fees. This shouldn’t surprise us because the Clintons did rent out sleepovers at the White house like it was a motel 8. Beyond this Clinton and Obama both failed their roles as leaders by allowing our Ambassador to not have adequate security in the lead up to the anniversary of 9-11 and then failed again by not making sure that help was sent when Americans were under attack in Benghazi. It shows a huge lack of judgement and then the lying on top of it and the tyrannical imprisonment of a lame youtube film maker. I like Matt but he and many like him have been so catch up with this sanctimonious resentment of Trump. I’m glad he’s on board because if Clinton wins its game over for conservatism and constitutionalism for the next 30-40 years. She will have a far left majority SCOTUS that can rewrite the constitution to be whatever the left and Hillary wants through its rulings. She will be effectively the most powerful executive in modern history. She will have a Supreme Court that will coordinate with her and rubberstamp her every move. Anyone who assumes different is just not paying attention. How many left wing appointments have turned out to be solid conservatives? NONE! Even a little bit conservative? NONE!


21 posted on 08/12/2016 11:18:50 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Free is just another word for someone else has to pay.)
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Listen, Meg, God made the angels to show Him splendor, as He made animals for
innocence and plants for their simplicity. But Man He made to serve Him wittily, in the
tangle of his mind. If He suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping, then
we may stand to our tackle as best we can, and, yes, Meg, then we can clamor like
champions, if we have the spittle for it. But it's God's part, not our own, to bring
ourselves to such a pass. Our natural business lies in escaping. If I can take the oath,
I will.


I would propose that escaping in our case is escaping the clutches of godless globalism,
godless ISIS incursion, godless corruption, godless Planned Parenthood, godless common core.

Alan Keyes leads always to a fantasyland that is never in our experience, one that
requires no flesh and blood involvement, only hypothetical meandering. Like needing to
decide where tonight's meal will come from, and then spending the ensuing hours
speculating on why one must eat.
22 posted on 08/12/2016 11:30:04 PM PDT by jobim
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Of two evils I choose neither Hillary Clinton or Gary Johnson.


24 posted on 08/13/2016 9:18:43 AM PDT by Rockpile (GOP legislators-----caviar eating surrender monkeys.)
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Thanks for the link.

I agree with Barber. I’m not surprised, though—I’ve never been convinced by similar phrases anyway, especially as they’re applied to U.S. presidential elections. Since I’m most familiar with “the lesser of two evils is still evil,” I like his expanded illustration with its “pieces of driftwood...[representing] options three, four or five.” Some “principled” people, who would choose not to vote for president at all, might’ve been represented by someone who chooses to stay on the sinking boat.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a good amount of the current push behind “the lesser of two evils is still eeeeeeeevil!!!!” came from people who realize that maybe they can’t make a lot of “principled” people vote for Clinton, but they can perhaps more easily get them not to vote for Trump.


26 posted on 08/13/2016 8:55:56 PM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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