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Florida woman dead after accidentally shot by officer during citizen police academy roleplay
New York Daily News ^ | August 9, 2016 | Keri Blakinger

Posted on 08/09/2016 9:02:24 PM PDT by grundle

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To: grundle

Why the heck was there live ammo on the stage to begin with?


81 posted on 08/10/2016 4:13:31 AM PDT by MortMan (Let's call the push for amnesty what it is: Pedrophilia.)
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To: 21twelve

“I recall a story a freeper told where he was at his friend’s house trying out the new trigger in his friend’s handgun. They unloaded the weapon with the rounds sitting on the table. He squeezed off a few dry-fires at the water-cooler in the corner of the basement.

Then the friend’s wife called them up for dinner. The freeper went into the downstairs bathroom and when he came out, there was the gun and the rounds still out sitting on the table.

He picked up the gun to dry-fire at the cooler a couple more times before heading upstairs.

“BANG!”

At least it was just a water-cooler! For some odd reason his buddy had reloaded it with new rounds from the box, rather than just replacing the rounds he had taken out”

That story is mine but you got some of the details wrong. The main one is that there was no bang. I was pointing the gun at the water heater and had about 2# of pressure on The trigger but felt uncomfortable that I hadn’t checked that it was empty. The six rounds I saw my buddy remove we’re still on the table and I hadn’t been gone more than a minute. I was sure it was unloaded but decided to check anyway. I was stunned to find if had SIX LIVE ROUNDS. For some reason he had taken them from the box instead of putting in the ones from the table. This story is absolutely true and a good example of why you must always check any gun you pick up.


82 posted on 08/10/2016 4:18:45 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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To: Robert DeLong
This was not a "potentially violent" call to a domestic flareup.

This was not "out on the streets" where then officer's life "hung in the balance" TM.

This was a arranged, planned-by-the-police, under their control, SIMULATION.

The person KILLED was chosen by the police.

They were known to be harmless.

And the policeman was playing the BAD GUY.

Therefore, not even in the role play, would the dead woman have PRETENDED to be a threat.

And, as a demonstration, there was no need, in this world or the next, for anything remotely resembling a real gun. They could have used hockey sticks or Pez candy dispensers.

Let alone having a real gun, LOADED.

And finally, multiple shots.

There is not even a putative reason for any of the elements of this killing to have occurred.

Fire and arrest the shooter and charge him with manslaughter. Strip him of retirement benefits and his family of pension benefits.

And find every member of the police force who helped plan this, and fire them and strip them of their pensions too.

If it had been a civilian, who had shot the policeman, under the EXACT same circumstances, they wouldn't be getting paid time off of work.

They'd already be behind bars, and fired.

JBT.

83 posted on 08/10/2016 4:19:02 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: fireman15

I see it going on around me. One twenty one year old whom I have known since he was twelve went to work as a corrections officer at the jail where I am told some of the prisoners called him “Barney” to his face and now has moved onto a gun carrying position with the sheriff’s department. He is an okay young man but I honestly don’t think he should be in law enforcement.


84 posted on 08/10/2016 4:19:31 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: grundle

In my classes and any class I have taken, if someone picks up a real gun, they have to show that it is clear.

Clearly this was not done. Why were live rounds even in the classroom?


85 posted on 08/10/2016 4:20:46 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: grundle

86 posted on 08/10/2016 4:30:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: grundle
During the first scenario, in a horrible accident participant Mary Knowlton was mistakenly struck by a live round,” Lewis said.

I guarantee it will be considered a good shoot. If you or I did it at the very least we would be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I'm sure the cop will get off with a reprimand.

87 posted on 08/10/2016 4:32:14 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: umgud

> I thought they made blue plastic Glocks for this. Just damn. So sad.
Blue? I was examining a red rubber practice Glock only Friday. I’ll bet they come in lots of colors.


88 posted on 08/10/2016 4:34:03 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The reason for Gun Control has always been Government's Fear of Rebellion.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

A gun is ALWAYS considered loaded.

You only pull the trigger.....wait, you only put your finger inside of the trigger guard, if you intend to fire the weapon.

I don’t know the exact circumstances in this case, but for myself, I could NEVER point my unloaded gun at a human being and pull the trigger. No matter how sure I was that it was unloaded, I just could never do it.

When I was a kid, three of us were out in the woods hunting squirrels and just having a good time. I was walking beside my friend with the shotgun and our other friend was walking directly ahead of us about 20 feet.

My friend with the shotgun leveled it and pointed at our friends back. Just as he was pulling the trigger, something told him to raise the gun, and he fired!

He was just as surprised as the rest of us that the gun went off. He was POSITIVE that the safety was on.

Something in his basic gun safety training or maybe the Lord intervened, but we all learned a valuable lesson that day.

“I didn’t know the gun was loaded” or “the safety was on” are useless pathetic excuses for reckless activity.

*****NEVER***** point a gun at someone you don’t intend to shoot!


90 posted on 08/10/2016 4:46:45 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: ThunderSleeps

“If a blue trainer wasn’t available, you damn-sure make sure the weapon is empty.”

How about just shaping your fingers like a gun? Nobody dies that way...


91 posted on 08/10/2016 5:11:48 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BenLurkin

That would be a “puta gorda.” “Punta” is “point.” Like Grosse Pointe or West Point.

But I get your ... point.


92 posted on 08/10/2016 5:22:55 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: umgud

They do, but having to yell “BANG!” all the time is so un-21st century...


93 posted on 08/10/2016 5:53:27 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: grundle

Another article on the incident with picture of the deceased:

http://dailym.ai/2aL43f9

Though not stated in the article, I am beginning to think this was an improperly cleared weapon incident. That is, the live round was already in the chamber (as a part of on duty carry) but the officer failed to properly clear the weapon when the magazine with live rounds was exchanged for the magazine filled with blanks.

The officer had probably taught the class many times in the past. All that is needed is some small interruption/distraction to throw off the rhythm; the, by now, nearly automatic execution of steps to prepare the duty weapon for the demonstration and you end up omitting one. And the result is a weapon with a live round in the chamber and a magazine full of blanks.

Formula for disaster: complacency+rushed+improper controls+mixing live and blank ammunition. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

An earlier post mentioned blue rubber training pistols. In this case, you probably needed a blue painted functional pistol with a permanent plug in the breech. It would cycle like a real pistol with blanks but it would be impossible to fully load a live round. Not completely fool-proof (you could end up with a scenario similar to Brandon Lee’s death while filming “Crow”). But better than relying on procedures alone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee


94 posted on 08/10/2016 5:55:51 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: jonascord; PeteB570; Bryanw92; papertyger; grey_whiskers; from occupied ga
Liberals shoot from the hip, while conservatives look for facts. While it is obvious that this was not a life or death situation for a police since it was a citizen training "exercise", it is also a very tragic accident. You all seem to act like this was a planned execution of this 73 year old woman.

I am willing to bet everything I have that there is not 1 member of this police force who is not totally upset about what has happened here, and want to know why this happened and how this could have happened.

You can all pile on with your juvenile ad hominem attacks and call me a cop sucker et cetera, but you only expose your ignorance.

While there is obvious culpability on part of the police department with this citizen training exercise, whose feet does it actually lay at exactly, and where did the breakdown occur in protocol and safety? I want answers, because I never want to ever see another occurrence like this to be repeated.

95 posted on 08/10/2016 6:41:41 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: kiryandil

“She was shot multiple times...

Can I get a WTF?”

Police are not trained to fire singles...


96 posted on 08/10/2016 6:44:03 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: kearnyirish2

“How about just shaping your fingers like a gun? Nobody dies that way...”

And get kicked out of elementary school?


97 posted on 08/10/2016 6:47:05 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: grundle
Mary Knowlton was one of two participants randomly selected from a group of 35 for a shoot-don’t shoot simulation...

What could go wrong?

98 posted on 08/10/2016 6:52:35 AM PDT by Jonah Hex
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To: ltc8k6

I’m referring to the cop who killed somebody, not the kids...


99 posted on 08/10/2016 7:03:34 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Robert DeLong
yada yada yada


100 posted on 08/10/2016 7:11:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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