Posted on 07/25/2016 12:03:09 PM PDT by John Robinson
Conversation. It isn't likely to happen regardless of how toxic Clinton has become nor will continue to become, so consider it an idle musing. To what effect would various scenarios play out on the electorate, e.g. elevating Kaine to the top of the ticket, swapping in Bernie, etc. Would that messaging irreparably damage the 2016 Dem presidential ticket, and to what effect will any of this have on the downstream Dem picks?
I'm guessing there is a tinge of Barry Goldwater here, and with that, would future progressive tickets ultimately be empowered by a landslide loss in 2016?
Can’t happen, but they could always bring Biden out of cold storage and use him. He’ll protect Obama’s secrets as vigorously as Hillary will. This is vital to the party.
Before I participate in the schadenfreude of recent events, this was my very real concern, that Sanders would step in and sweep up the mess, make it all right... I’m really starting to doubt that is possible now but I cannot articulate exactly how screwed the Dems are, which is why I ask.
Excellent question, and the democrats have a history of doing this.
I predict an illness to Bill or Hillary, a gut wrenching emotion filled hospital room scene with the baton being passed to either Bernie or more likely, Biden, urging him from the hospital bed to win one for the Clintons and the Country...
the drama...
the emotion...
the free press...
later then, a near dead Hillary or Bill will have a wonderful recovery...a miracle in fact.
Just my thought that I have had for the last six months.
It will happen 30 days prior to the election, maybe 45 days prior.
My understanding is that there would be very little time to get a candidate on all fifty state ballots in the remaining time. They would need to make this call within a day or so. Also, if they chose someone who was not already voted on in a primary it would be seen badly by the faithful.
Legalistically, I think they would have to go with Bernie. But, he is widely seen as a guaranteed loss. I’m sure the powers that be in the DNC would prefer Biden/Lieawatha or some other insiders.
The Democrats are in a bad position regardless. Hillary is unlikable and Bernie is too commie. The other potentials won’t digest well with the grass roots.
I think they would go with Hillary regardless of what happens.
Down ticket, if the top person generates no steam and enthusiasm, the down-ticket races will be a disaster for them. Democrats come out to vote for president, not down ticket candidates.
So, if Republicans sweep the races and still change nothing, then four years from now they will lose big-time. I am looking for the biggest Republican win in a century or more.
Hillary won’t give up the nomination. She has come too far to stop now.
Hillary won’t be forced out. The Clintons have too much dirt on people in power to be forced out. In other words, if Hillary goes so do a much of other people too. That’s one of the reasons that she wasn’t indicted for her unsecured e-mail servers.
To late for a Torch Torricelli. If Hillary was force to leave the race, whatever the reason Obama would have to “delay” the election so it would be “fair”.
Let’s hope Assange releases more meat soon. Ironic how they are now carping that the Russians are meddling with our elections after Hillary and Bill taking so much foreign money and selling America as “favors”....
I’m in agreement with you. Even before the Wikileaks revelations, I’ve always felt she is damaged goods and if it got too bad as far as her approval ratings, they might slip Biden in. Especially since he says he regrets not getting in the race.
The Dems are doing nothing to improve their situation,if that were even possible now.Meanwhile,the hits just keep coming.
This pretty much finishes the Dem party as we know it.
Hillary isn’t going to be forced out, no Democrat is going to tell her to.. they know if they do their careers are over... daydreaming to even think that scenario is happening, no matter how bad things get for her.
Dems sink or swim with Hillary this cycle.
Now, if you want to hypothetical that changing ships would help the Dems? Short answer is Nope... This is a disruption cycle, and Trump is the face of it, nothing the democrats can do, including changing the candidate, will change the overall outcome... only the margin.
If he took in Bernie, this ticket would have a ton of energy within Democrat circles.
There's just no way Hillary will step down. She's going to jail if she doesn't win.
[This pretty much finishes the Dem party as we know it.]
It looks like the BIG TENT has imploded.
It’d be like the Spanish Civil War on the streets with Communists vs. Socialists.
Maybe it’s what Obama wants?
That possible government “insider” who leaked like a sieve online on July 2nd (5 days after the Tarmac plea bargain, and 3 days before the Comey get-out-of-jail-free card) said that Soros is COMPLETELY controlling our government, so it would totally depend on whom Soros chooses to replace her.
P.S. That same source implied these criminals are capable of the most unimaginable horrors to get their way. He said Orlando was an “inside job” designed to usher in gun control.
Ain’t gonna happen. But if it did then Trump would be President.
I don’t think they dare set her aside because of the kamikaze from hell mission that she would enact on them, and there is no way she will step down. I -DO- think there is a very real possibility of a mental/emotional/physical collapse during the campaign, especially against someone like Trump who will come back twice as hard. I think she is used to intimidating critics and is a glass cannon - she will shatter.
As to who will replace her? Impossible to say. Almost anyone would be a superior candidate, and the Dems would get sympathy votes. They won’t put in Bernie. Probably the VP, but with Democrats, who knows?
I still consider it a real possibility that Clinton could withdraw due to medical issues. But it’s becoming less and less likely with each passing day.
If that were to happen, the Democrats would probably look at this election as essentially lost, but with a more positive outlook on the next four year compared what would happen if Clinton gets crushed in the election.
The real problem the Democrats face is that their bench isn’t very deep. They would need to replace Clinton with someone who can pull together the moderate and progressive parts of the party without driving away independents. And, because they are down to 3 months before the election, it would have to be someone with immediate name recognition.
I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill.
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