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Ancient Greek 'computer' came with a user guide
Fox News ^ | 28 June 2016 | Megan Gannon

Posted on 07/02/2016 1:00:20 AM PDT by blueplum

....With the turn of a hand crank, the ancient Greeks could track the positions of the sun and the moon, the lunar phases, and even cycles of Greek athletic competitions.

The 82 corroded metal fragments of the Antikythera mechanism contain ancient Greek text, much of which is unreadable to the naked eye. But over the past 10 years, new imaging techniques, such as 3D X-ray scanning, have revealed hidden letters and words in the text...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aegean; alexanderjones; antikythera; antikytheramechanism; cosmology; godsgravesglyphs; greece; navigation; romanempire
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To: saintgermaine

21 posted on 07/02/2016 4:07:23 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Probably an easier explanation is that man is capable of advancing quite rapidly, if he’s not in a period of deprivation and has a libertarian level of freedom to fulfil needs in society.


22 posted on 07/02/2016 4:08:52 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: blueplum

Most of the population of Antikythera were wiped out during the Greek civil war in the late 1940’s. When I was there briefly on a ferry stop in 1999 the total population of the island was about 30 - all old.


23 posted on 07/02/2016 4:09:11 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (ABM - Anyone But McCain)
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To: blueplum

It would be cool if someone with an engineering knack would make a working replica of the device.

I’d say to translate the instructions into English, but even if they are translated, most people would probably still think they are written in ancient Greek.


24 posted on 07/02/2016 4:21:40 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: blueplum

I’m thinking it was used to more accurately predict the tides. That knowledge was a big deal back in the day.


25 posted on 07/02/2016 4:25:26 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: carcraft

“Read an interesting book called “ Longitude “.”

There was a documentary about him.


26 posted on 07/02/2016 4:30:00 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: carcraft

Shadow clocks were used to find longitude in both the East and West thousands of years ago, but the knowledge was lost (like most things known and in common use in the Classical Christian Era by the hundred years war (628-723AD) by the Varsity muslim armies led by Mohammad and his successors, who destroyed everything that was not in the koran - even to creating the desert conditions in today’s north Africa using vast goat herds to eat the vegetation).


27 posted on 07/02/2016 4:41:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: dp0622

they don’t really know but computer sounds official

cosmological simulator is too many syllables for the average reader


28 posted on 07/02/2016 4:45:21 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: Jonty30
Probably an easier explanation is that man is capable of advancing quite rapidly, if he’s not in a period of deprivation and has a libertarian level of freedom to fulfil needs in society.

I was thinking the same thing. If all aifacts save writing were left intact, but omitting a 100 year period from 1880 to 1980, the TVs, nukes, rocket ships, submarines and computers would have looked utterly ridiculous to have come within one lifetime.
29 posted on 07/02/2016 5:03:20 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."-R.Reagan)
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To: blueplum

Did they ever solve the Y1 problem?


30 posted on 07/02/2016 5:07:06 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Diogenesis

They figured out that what goes around comes around


31 posted on 07/02/2016 5:45:37 AM PDT by imardmd1 (If you're not at the table you'll be on the menu . . . count on it.)
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To: bert
Before we had computers we had a thing called a Comptometer (click here), IIRC . . .
32 posted on 07/02/2016 5:55:02 AM PDT by imardmd1 (If you're not at the table you'll be on the menu . . . count on it.)
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To: blueplum

It’s amazing what you can do with geometry.


33 posted on 07/02/2016 5:56:33 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: imardmd1

believe it or don’t but I actually had one of those circa 1950 model or so . I used it in 1963/64 school years my Jr and sr years.

My professor in CE314 Estimating and Costs said all of you got a type writer to go to college...... sell it and buy a calculator.

The one I bought was old and used and had a hand crank and lever. it was humongous. It allowed the rapid computation of complex estimate spread sheets that simply couldn’t be done on the trusty K&E log log decitrig slide rule


34 posted on 07/02/2016 6:09:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: bert

It was a perfectly good mechanical computer, like a tabulator machine used in the early 20th Century.


35 posted on 07/02/2016 6:12:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I'm not a smug know-it-all; I just want you to experience epistemological closure.)
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To: blueplum

What would be classical Greek for “read the effing manual”?


36 posted on 07/02/2016 6:13:35 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Jonty30

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism#Accuracy

Investigations by Freeth and Jones reveal that their simulated mechanism is not particularly accurate, the Mars pointer being up to 38° off at times. This is not due to inaccuracies in gearing ratios in the mechanism, but rather to inadequacies in the Greek theory. The accuracy could not have been improved until first Ptolemy put forth his Planetary Hypotheses in the second half of the second century AD and then the introduction of Kepler’s Second Law.[6]

In short, the Antikythera Mechanism was a machine designed to predict celestial phenomena according to the sophisticated astronomical theories current in its day, the sole witness to a lost history of brilliant engineering, a conception of pure genius, one of the great wonders of the ancient world—but it didn’t really work very well![6]

In addition to theoretical accuracy, there is the matter of mechanical accuracy. Freeth and Jones note that the inevitable “looseness” in the mechanism due to the hand-built gears, with their triangular teeth and the frictions between gears, and in bearing surfaces, probably would have swamped the finer solar and lunar correction mechanisms built into it:

Though the engineering was remarkable for its era, recent research indicates that its design conception exceeded the engineering precision of its manufacture by a wide margin—with considerable accumulative inaccuracies in the gear trains, which would have cancelled out many of the subtle anomalies built into its design.


37 posted on 07/02/2016 6:29:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I'm not a smug know-it-all; I just want you to experience epistemological closure.)
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To: RichInOC

38 posted on 07/02/2016 6:30:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I'm not a smug know-it-all; I just want you to experience epistemological closure.)
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To: blueplum

Replica - the original has to have been a masterwork requiring years of handwork. One wonders about who commissioned and paid for its construction and why. Was it a rich person's toy, a scholar or religion-based tool or something else.

39 posted on 07/02/2016 6:42:13 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: 2banana

Drink More Ovaltine


40 posted on 07/02/2016 6:44:52 AM PDT by Fluffy Bunny ("This means something, this is important!" -- Roy Neary)
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