Actually, this could be a very difficult meeting for Trump. At our very conservative church ( definitely not PC when it comes to abortion and gay marriage), immigration is a very big deal, and, while not mentioning Trump by name, they don’t like his position one bit. They believe that with each Muslim who relocates here, there is a potential convert to Christianity. I have pointed out that we now have two generations of Muslim immigration to Europe and America, and there is no evidence of any statistically significant conversion from Islam to Christianity and no reason to think that will change.
They aren’t listening.
“They believe that with each Muslim who relocates here, there is a potential convert to Christianity.”
You want to talk about make-believe Christianity and pretense, that takes the cake.
Could you ask them for me how your church/churches have been doing with resident Americans? It is Biblical to take care of your own household first.
It is a shame that Mr, Trump, having dominated evangelical voters in the primary and speaking so forcefully before groups like AIPAC and Faith & Freedom Coalition, has to pander further for their support.
News of perhaps Justice Clarence Thomas considering retirement coupled with Scalia’s still empty chair on SCOTUS should solidify Mr. Trump’s backing even more.
How can any Christian leader think twice about whom to endorse when we are under siege from an enemy who persecutes people who do not follow Islam???
Also, assimilation among Muslims to our society has
been proven to be extremely unsuccessful as you point out.
I wish so many people in our country weren’t so foolish!!!
“At our very conservative church ... believe that with each Muslim who relocates here, there is a potential convert to Christianity.”
Many in my also conservative church are of a like attitude. My response, “Matt. 28:19 states “Go ye therefore and teach all nations...”.
These immigrants were pushed our of their countries in part by our foreign policies of the last 25 years. How Christian is it to displace people to evangelize them in the comfort of your own country?
Stabilize their country and then Go ye therefore........
That is lunacy. The old Southern Baptist Church I went to had problems, but figuring out self-preservation wasn’t one of them.
Another talking point I've seen various churches push (and it's even pushed by some "conservative" religious FReepers) is that we should be THANKFUL that there are hordes of immigrants from third world Latin American countries here because "at least they are Christian" and they will preserve a "Christian culture" in America because the native born Americans aren't (a variation of the "doing the job Americans won't do" argument).
Of course, reality shows us something entirely different -- many of these immigrants are "Christian" only in the sense that they were baptized decades ago, and today they are non-practicing, don't go to church, and don't give a hoot that Christianity preaches that embryonic stem cell research is murder or that Obamacare forcing nuns to pay for abortions is immoral and so on. The only higher power they worship is freebies from the government.
But this simple fact is ignored by the "praise Jesus, the immigrants are CHRISTIANS" types pretending we're experiencing some type of great religious revival in America thanks to massive uneducated third world illegals.
That's some incredible stupidity. If they want people to convert, they should convert native infidels. If they have a fetish for people with a darker color of skin, they should send missionaries to go meet them.
‘They believe that with each Muslim who relocates here, there is a potential convert to Christianity!”
Yeah, your church is right up there with all the rest. The Mormons and the Catholics are really big on bringing Mexicans into the country. Persoally, I wouldn’t belong to a church that didn’t observe our country’s laws. I don’t see bringing “the world’s poor and unwashed here” as anything other than the money that these people bring to the churches. It’s a disgrace in my view! Destroying what others before us built isn’t Christian. And converting Muslims, really? Give me a break. At least Mexicans are already Christians.
I had a discussion with a wise ole' Rabbi a while back and he noted, Judaism is the only religion where they don't go out an solicit you have to come in and approach them and the Rabbi will ask you 3 times, you really want to do this?
Perhaps your Church elders should have a cup of coffee with my Rabbi friend.
Do your elders know what the ramification of converting Muslims are once they the are converted?.
If anyone, Christian or not, thinks that the muslims pouring into the west are ripe for conversion to Christianity, they’re dreaming in technicolour. If there will be any conversions, it will be the muslims forcing some westerners to convert.
Certainly, putting Muslims on welfare won’t make Christianity any dearer to them.
While the statement is true, would they let drug dealers and pedophiles into their communities simply because they a potential converts to Christianity too?
I wonder of the people who hold to this opinion are willing to do the work of evangelism with these 'potential converts'. Can they even stand in a simple debate with a muslim? Do they even know the issues?
I’d have to find another church, I just couldn’t handle that level of stupid.