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FBI Counter-Intelligence Up for Grabs?
Washington Free Beacon ^ | Bill Gertz

Posted on 06/14/2016 3:13:14 PM PDT by Thud

""Myers said the Orlando attack was a “catastrophic failure” for the FBI and showed its policies, procedures, and resources are inadequate to the mission of homeland security.

“This has to change now or a new organization, mandated to defeat this domestic threat, must be organized and fielded,” he said.'"


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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fbi; fbi4islamicterror; fbitreason; hillary; noaccountability; terror
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To: Thud

Put current Sheriff Joe Arpaio in charge of the F B I and let him go for it.

Get rid of gun free zones.

Get rid of the TSA.

Get rid of DHS.


21 posted on 06/14/2016 4:37:55 PM PDT by disndat
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To: JohnnyP

While there are many possible reasons for the OPD SWAT action delay, IMO the most likely is that the Orlando Police Chief was afraid to make a decision.


22 posted on 06/14/2016 4:54:08 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

Actually, I think this should be turned over to the TSA. It would give them a job to do.

Instead of Thousands Standing Around looking for bombs in our shoes, our belts and our computers, they could be sifting through the Muslims throughout the U.S. I don’t know how effective they would be since they would probably have to think.


23 posted on 06/14/2016 5:40:36 PM PDT by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: Thud

Someone seems awfully eager to create a domestic police agency with no Constitutional limitations to its activities.

Well, another one, anyway.


24 posted on 06/14/2016 5:50:25 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Wisdom is doing due diligence before forming an opinion)
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To: Gunpowder green

“Guidelines for a stand-off like this are so cautious, that a lot more people die than necessary.”

Nothing like a “no-risk-allowed” bureaucratic mentality to screw up first responders.

Life is not risk free.


25 posted on 06/14/2016 5:51:16 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: thoughtomator
You might try re-reading my post, and considering the implications of the term "without arrest power".
26 posted on 06/14/2016 6:12:24 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/


27 posted on 06/14/2016 6:19:23 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Thud
I don't know who is going to take it. Nobody will tolerate CIA taking it, and they have more ideological issues than the FBI. HSI isn't big enough, and they have some significant issues in their manning and ability to shift into the type of under cover operations involved in counter terror.

This is all in addition to the statutory obstacles involved in shifting those responsibilities to another agency. I don't think the issue is with the FBI, it's the DOJ guidelines and policies, and possibly manning that are driving the failures.

28 posted on 06/14/2016 6:23:12 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sergeantdave

That is actually a good question. How many agents are being detailed into Christian identity groups, sovereign citizen types, etc., that won’t do anything if left alone?


29 posted on 06/14/2016 6:26:19 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: LaRueLaDue

Tell that to the SWAT guy who took a bullet to the center of his Kevlar. The mark on his forehead shows he was going head first into the threat.


30 posted on 06/14/2016 6:28:31 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Thud
The failure is with the Obama Administration. They view Global Jihad and a local criminal event. Therefore, Federal Agencies don't talk to each other anymore. Worse yet, and information the acquired through hard work was deleted.

Remember this?
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror

31 posted on 06/14/2016 6:55:49 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal
The Obama Administration is to blame for the Global Jihad attacks on us. This is from the Hill:

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror

Most Americans were unaware of the enormous damage to morale at the Department of Homeland Security, where I worked, his condemnation caused. His words infuriated many of us because we knew his administration had been engaged in a bureaucratic effort to destroy the raw material—the actual intelligence we had collected for years, and erase those dots. The dots constitute the intelligence needed to keep Americans safe, and the Obama administration was ordering they be wiped away.......

As the number of successful and attempted Islamic terrorist attacks on America increased, the type of information that the Obama administration ordered removed from travel and national security databases was the kind of information that, if properly assessed, could have prevented subsequent domestic Islamist attacks like the ones committed by Faisal Shahzad (May 2010), Detroit “honor killing” perpetrator Rahim A. Alfetlawi (2011); Amine El Khalifi, who plotted to blow up the U.S. Capitol (2012); Dzhokhar or Tamerlan Tsarnaev who conducted the Boston Marathon bombing (2013); Oklahoma beheading suspect Alton Nolen (2014); or Muhammed Yusuf Abdulazeez, who opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee (2015).

And look here for what the Obama Administration did to make it so much harder to connect the dots in the San Bernadine Global Jihad attack.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/263284-administration-nixed-probe-into-southern-california

32 posted on 06/14/2016 7:03:29 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: USNBandit

“Tell that to the SWAT guy who took a bullet to the center of his Kevlar. The mark on his forehead shows he was going head first into the threat.”

Then why did they not allow any medical people in to treat the wounded? Can’t risk them? That’s nuts. That is what those people do and train for. And I don’t buy the “we were worried about bombs” crap. They knew that the likelihood of that was low. People died needlessly because they didn’t let anyone in and didn’t try to take anyone out, until a bureaucrat said it was “OK”.

That is what I am talking about, not some swat team.


33 posted on 06/14/2016 7:14:20 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: USNBandit

DOD.


34 posted on 06/14/2016 7:15:41 PM PDT by Thud
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To: LaRueLaDue
Everbody talks tough until the bullets start flying. Remember that everything you know about the shooting is through the lens of time and light of day. Even hours after the event was over there were reports the shooter had been wearing a suicide vest. Did the Orlando PD know there was only one shooter? Did they know they hit the guy? Lots of questions that affect the response of the PD.

My biggest question is why you would negotiate for three hours with somebody that you know shot people. I think that specific fact should drive an immediate and violent response. No shooting and a pile of hostages is different. You may not be able to wait for a SWAT response.

35 posted on 06/14/2016 7:25:51 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

2nd thought. First the decision will be made that the FBI loses a large part of its budget. What happens then will be determined by a turf fight between Congressional committees.


36 posted on 06/14/2016 7:27:46 PM PDT by Thud
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To: USNBandit

Where was the wife? The older brother? Who was the ‘random’ guy who held the back door shut with the gay guy?

Where is the older brother now?


37 posted on 06/14/2016 7:29:28 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Thud

By the way, it is refreshing to have a conversation rather than Cruzbot vs Trumper infighting from the last couple months.


38 posted on 06/14/2016 7:58:09 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Thud

...and the Torecelli rule barring intelligence agencies from working with people who’d committed major crimes.


39 posted on 06/15/2016 1:06:57 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Thud

You might want to consider how astronomically unlikely it is for such an agency to be created without arrest power. That stipulation is most assuredly not on the agenda of those who have been angling to create it.


40 posted on 06/15/2016 3:33:19 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Wisdom is doing due diligence before forming an opinion)
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