[LaRueLaDue]

“Tell that to the SWAT guy who took a bullet to the center of his Kevlar. The mark on his forehead shows he was going head first into the threat.”

Then why did they not allow any medical people in to treat the wounded? Can’t risk them? That’s nuts. That is what those people do and train for. And I don’t buy the “we were worried about bombs” crap. They knew that the likelihood of that was low. People died needlessly because they didn’t let anyone in and didn’t try to take anyone out, until a bureaucrat said it was “OK”.

That is what I am talking about, not some swat team.

[USNBandit]

Everbody talks tough until the bullets start flying. Remember that everything you know about the shooting is through the lens of time and light of day. Even hours after the event was over there were reports the shooter had been wearing a suicide vest. Did the Orlando PD know there was only one shooter? Did they know they hit the guy? Lots of questions that affect the response of the PD.

My biggest question is why you would negotiate for three hours with somebody that you know shot people. I think that specific fact should drive an immediate and violent response. No shooting and a pile of hostages is different. You may not be able to wait for a SWAT response.