Posted on 06/13/2016 8:53:08 AM PDT by Lockbox
As I hoped would happen, American Thinker’s series on TWA Flight 800 has prompted individuals with first hand knowledge to come forward. “Mark Johnson” is one. An air traffic controller (ATC), he worked the night of July 17, 1996 -- the night TWA Flight 800 was destroyed -- at the New York Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) located in Westbury, New York.
Johnson has provided me with his real name, and I have confirmed that he was in a position to know what he says he knows. He requested that I use an alias because he has children who depend on him. The federal government, he believes, “will seek revenge, retribution and/or any other remedy they feel like. I would be fearful my pension would be at risk.” I have heard this sentiment voiced by many people involved in this incident.
Although Johnson was not responsible for tracking TWA Flight 800, he spoke directly with the ATC who did. In fact, he asked him “plenty of questions to prepare myself for the ‘suits’ who were beginning to arrive.” Along with several other ATCs, he viewed the radar tape of the incident. According to Johnson, “A primary radar return (ASR-9) indicated vertical movement intersecting TWA 800.”
An advanced radar system, the Northrop Grumman ASR-9 is able to detect a “target” in severe clutter even when the target has no transponder. The absence of a transponder is what distinguishes a “primary radar return” from a “secondary” one. In others words, the radar picked up a small, unidentified, ascending object intersecting TWA 800 in the second before the 747 “disappeared from radar.”
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
What hyperbole?
I am a submarine vet of that era and I am telling you that we did not have anti-aircraft capability. So either it did not exist or it was a greater secret than the NOFORN, Confidential, and Secret information I was freely given and Top Secret information I was exposed to.
Or maybe I'm part of the conspiracy...
What nonsense.
How does that not make sense? Why on Earth would a conventional weapon system of dubious value be a greater secret than nuclear weapons or propulsion systems?
No, what is truly nonsense is that you actually believe that a completely new weapons system was secretly created by private contractors, integrated into the standard submarine combat control system without training the fleet, fired by this submarine and guided by a surface ship all to either purposely shoot down a civilian 747 or to eventually be integrated into the fleet but the accidental downing of the 747 resulted in the complete shutdown and cover up of this new weapon system.
And not one contractor or sailor has came forward after over 200 civilians were murdered or accidentally killed. I mean geez, what kind of people do you think are in the military?
A rebuttal is necessary to any facts presented which conflict with the account one is trying to promulgate.
You don't get a pass by calling the other opponent a "conspiracy theorist." You have to refute the evidence.
Aircraft Mechanics do not do shoddy work. They are licensed and required to know what they are doing. Aircraft designers are well acquainted with keeping power wiring separate from signal wiring.
The 747-100 is not an experimental plane. It is a well developed plane with an extensively tested design.
The claim that it had an 80 joule discharge (80 amps of current for 1 second) is bullsh*t.
I didn't ignore you. I don't know how long you have been on FR, but often posters have actual LIVES and other things to do than sit around and instantly respond to everyone's comments.
When I found your 'comment', I responded. In my response I implied that you likely know more about American SLAAM's than I do. That is why I did not instantly 'report' to you with technical specs on the American SLAAM's.
FYI I'm a submarine veteran that was in during the time of the TWA 800 loss.
The instant I read your first comment to me, my first thought was that you were a sub vet and your service was possibly during the period when this incident happened. Your other comments (to others) that I read pretty much confirmed it. Which is why I said, why don't you tell us what you know.
We don't have anti-aircraft capabilities on submarines.
Am I to assume that you meant "didn't" have at the time ?
If you are no longer in the military and on a sub, how would you know what they have now ?
If the military , at the time, was testing NEW TECHNOLOGY, how would you know a thing about it ? You (my guess) weren't on one of the subs participating in the naval exercises.
Am I right ?
Allow me to clarify things a bit here, if you will.
I was presenting the 'idea' that a submarine could have launched a missile and the missile could have hit TWA800. It is not the only possibility, and I would agree it is probably a very slim possibility.
The missile could have been fired from any type of Ship participating in the Naval Exercise.
It could have been a DRONE that hit the TWA800 flight.
It could have been from a MANPADS, or it could have been some other type of MISSILE and LAUNCHER.
One thing I am pretty sure of, and that is that some type of rocket propelled device hit the aircraft. So... If I postulate that one of the ships (not a submarine) launched a DRONE or MISSILE that hit TWA800, do you find that to be a possibility ?
Why does the 'sub' have to know 'where' the helicopter is ? All the sub has to do is launch it. The missile (presumably) contains guidance and homing abilities and can 'find' the target itself. This type of 'missile' has been mentioned and discussed throughout the posts on this thread.
My first reaction is to ask whether you are blind or just playing dumb. It's a depiction of a new (or proposed) sub launched anti-aircraft missile. I think even a child could figure that out by looking at the picture, don't you ?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'live' fire, but there was a multi-national 'exercise' going on that were using DRONES as targets.
No, I think that a sub launched anti-aircraft missile is just one possibility. For all we know, the sub may have launched the DRONE missile that the other ships were supposed to shoot at.
Or, it could have been a missile fired from a small boat (like the one reported to have fled the scene right after the explosion of TWA800).
Ridiculous stories of non-existent weapons tests is not the way to explain it.
Do you know how may SHIPS were in the multi-national naval exercises being conducted that day ? Do you know how many missiles each ship had, or how many they fired that day ?
So the sub just shoots it off and hopes for the best? Do you mind if I ask what your experience on this subject is?
Isn't that what these 'command and control' systems that are spread amongst a 'fleet of ships' do ?
I agree with you it probably wasn't a SUB that fired a missile and hit TWA800. But, that doesn't mean it isn't, or wasn't possible at the time.
Of course it is.
If they were using drones as targets then they would have been firing at those targets, would they not? Hence the description "live fire exercise".
But since no drones were being used then it's safe to say nobody was firing anything.
And what makes you think it's a sub launched anti-aircraft missile and not a surface-to-surface cruise missile? I won't even justify the drone part with an answer.
Or, it could have been a missile fired from a small boat (like the one reported to have fled the scene right after the explosion of TWA800).
That would shoot your whole subsurface to air missile theory right out the window wouldn't it?
The information I read said that the Navy immediately abandoned 'testing' of the 'missile technology' they were using at the time.
So far the only documentation I can find was a mention of trying to fit their ground-based AA missile to a sub. Those things were too large, and couldn't really take exposure to water at all, let alone at depth.
I would have really hated to be a German submariner after the first half of WWII.
Friendly fire comes to mind.
The Germans didn't have any luck with the idea either. It is interesting to see that the idea wasn't pursued by our Navy.
It's not about what kind of people we have in the military, it's about what kind of people we had in the top administrative positions in our Federal Government.
It's about the FEDS taking over and leaving the NTSB out until the FEDS had 'fixed' the evidence. It's about the FEDS possibly ordering the BRASS (military) to put a lid on things. That is what it is about.
People who follow orders, people forced to sign nondisclosure agreements, people who are threatened to keep quiet over classified maneuvers, people given cover stories.
For someone who was in the military, you sure don't know much about how it works.
Believe what you want, I don't really care.
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