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Fact-checking Hillary Clinton's claim that her email practices were 'allowed' (Politifact)
Politifact ^ | 5/31/16 | Lauren Carroll

Posted on 05/31/2016 7:30:39 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

Hillary Clinton is sticking to her defense that her use of a private email server while secretary of state was "allowed," despite a critical independent audit that found it really wasn’t.

(snip)

But for anyone unaware of that nuance — say, the average voter — it sounds like Clinton is defending her email practices as a whole, as something that was fully permitted by the State Department, which is the argument she has been making all along. And that’s just not right.

The gist of the problem is that Clinton never asked anyone if she could use her personal email setup. And the report seems to find that if she had asked, the policy was clear that such a request should have been rejected.

"The private email server was only allowed in the sense that no one managed to prevent it from happening," said John Wonderlich, director of policy at the Sunlight Foundation, which promotes government transparency.

(snip)

No one ever stopped Clinton from conducting work over her private email server exclusively. But that’s not the same thing as it being allowed. Offices within the State Department told an independent inspector general that if she had asked, they would not have allowed it.

The report from the State Department’s Office of the Inspector General shatters one of Clinton’s go-to phrases about her email practice. We rate her claim False.

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; clintongate; election2016; laurencarroll; newyork; politifact; trump
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1 posted on 05/31/2016 7:30:39 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

Oh Hillary and Bill are those useless yobs that think it is better to ask forgiveness instead of permission. The rules don’t really apply to them, ya know


2 posted on 05/31/2016 7:36:39 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Faith Presses On
Not only was it false, but she had issued threats to government oversight who called her activities to question on the matter. Emails were received by agency heads ordering the questioning to be stopped immediately.

The cell mate for her needs to be the author of that email ordering the end of questioning her email systems. That is the second most important witness in this case.

3 posted on 05/31/2016 7:39:18 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Faith Presses On

Check Zerohedge.com. They have a thread up now with a mail released by Wikileaks: Is this the mail that will bring down Hillary?

Asks, no demands, that headers be removed from classified documents.


4 posted on 05/31/2016 7:44:14 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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Link?


5 posted on 05/31/2016 7:45:18 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-31/wikileaks-asks-if-smoking-gun-email-will-bring-down-hillary
6 posted on 05/31/2016 7:50:27 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Thanks!


7 posted on 05/31/2016 7:53:06 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Faith Presses On

They should have rated it “Pants(unit) on Fire”.


8 posted on 05/31/2016 7:58:37 PM PDT by justlurking
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9 posted on 05/31/2016 8:02:27 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: ScaniaBoy

IMO, it’s not the email arrangement itself that will bring the house of cards down. It’s what was found in the emails she tried to erase that will do it - the emails leading to the Clinton Foundation pay to play scheme.


10 posted on 05/31/2016 8:03:33 PM PDT by randita
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To: ScaniaBoy

This is not new info.

It was reported in the original document dump, but the media didn’t pick up on the significance.

I saw it, and immediately recognized it as prime facie evidence of conspiracy to commit a crime: distribution of classified information via an unsecured system.


11 posted on 05/31/2016 8:08:39 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: Faith Presses On

Insofar as she is unlikely to ever be held responsible for her malfeasance, she may have a point.


12 posted on 05/31/2016 8:09:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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I still don’t think she’ll be indicted.The rapid swing of the news against her is making me rethink that.


13 posted on 05/31/2016 8:14:08 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: justlurking

I had missed that. Agree with your conclusion. Good that it is brought to the surface again. Difficult for the FBI to overlook.


14 posted on 05/31/2016 8:19:16 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Faith Presses On

Here’s what I don’t get. How come all of the people who corresponded with her never noticed that her address didn’t end in “gov”?


15 posted on 05/31/2016 8:19:19 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns.)
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If I remember right, the media reported it as “Clinton’s staff struggling to send a fax.”

They completely missed a clear violation of the law. It’s a real problem with this story: it’s written by people that accept Clinton’s spin on it.

They don’t have anyone on staff that understands this aspect of the law. But, their choice to not ASK someone that knows the meaning of the SF312 is journalistic malpractice.


16 posted on 05/31/2016 8:26:51 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: Faith Presses On
This is Clinton speak that undortunately will probably stand up over time. When Clinton was at State, she was in charge and she is the one who allowed herself to use the private email server. Some at State did complain, but were told to go pound sand and never bring it up again. Since nobody stood in the door with a machine gun and stopped her from doing it, that is what "allowed" means. She was careful to not claim that it was legal, ethical, or as per State Department Regulations (The FAM is treated like a joke book of suggestions anyway within State), but only that is was "allowed".

BTW Freepers, don't put too much faith or hope into this IG report. The IG at State is basically a joke and a huge part of the problem. When issues are submitted to the IG, they go there to die. They are the protectors of the system and that's all there is to it. If there is anything critical in his report, it is because Obama put it in there or it is all part of an eloborate ruse that will be revealed Sep-Oct time frame. CNN is writing the scripts now and she will be referred to as the "recently exonerated Hillary Clinton"

17 posted on 05/31/2016 8:29:10 PM PDT by BRK
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I saw an email like that; it was a chain actually. She did say to remove the headers.

Her excuse: It was never sent.

I puzzled over that one. Clearly there was a back and forth, but it is possible that the person on the other end knew it was wrong, was afraid to do it, and refused to send the document with removed headers.

The chain has the person on the other side ??? then sending it back. There were about 5 short back and forths, then it ended up in the air.

So if she means the stripped headers classified document was never sent, maybe it wasn't.

It still puts her in just as an unfavorable light.

She claimed on the 26th after the report came out that "it was allowed". I cannot figure out why she persists in such a blatant lie. Does she think voters are that stupid?

MSNBC Morning Joe I think it was and also the blonde lady called her on it. Now Politico is.

She either has to be delusional or think if she repeats it often enough as she has, the voters' won't know the difference. A lot of them still don't get why running her own server is worse than what Powell did. BTW WAPO ran some major issues and one was that Powell hadn't surrendered all his work-related emails, and the State Department or IG has contacted his isp to see if they still remain in the archives and can be retrieved.

18 posted on 05/31/2016 8:31:40 PM PDT by Aliska
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If one goes down the list...classified message sent via her email on X position between the US and such-and-such country, and the Clinton Foundation “subscriber” turning the info around to use later....then she’s screwed (even if it was done only once). In this case, I think the FBI can spend six months and find at least twenty episodes.

The problem I see....if you really wanted hard evidence, you’d have to spend time on the members of the Clinton Foundation....drag them in for questions....and no court action would start until spring of 2017.

The question needs to be asked early on....even at the Convention...is the plan to use Hillary....to get the VP up and ready to be President, and then have her resign and get a pardon from the new VP-turned-President. For this reason, I really don’t think it’ll be Bernie as VP. I think the super-delegates are already thinking over how this impacts them and how a Hillary-with-a-pardon lives out her life.


19 posted on 05/31/2016 8:41:12 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SaxxonWoods

Every person was different, and her aides were apparently go-betweens a lot of the time.


20 posted on 05/31/2016 8:44:01 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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