Posted on 04/27/2016 10:27:56 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
I have a message for all the Trumpsters. Your behavior and antics in the past couple of months, and the antics of your "savior", The Donald, have made my decision about who to vote for, and who NOT to vote for in November easy.
If your guy is the nominee for the Republican Party, he WILL lose in November, and YOU WILL OWN IT. Because I will NEVER vote for that statist socialist, parasitic, steaming pile of obama.
Now, I've been told that JimRob is banning anyone who states publicly that they will not vote for trump. So be it. I have enjoyed Jim's friendship for many years, and I'll be sorry to lose it, but I WILL NOT surrender my principles that easily. Herewith is an article by Herschel Smith, that encapsulates my thoughts.
I have said for a very long time to my family and others that the experience of parents having and raising children isn’t really about the children. God will handle the children as He sees fit. It’s about the parents, and there are two experiences that test your mettle more than any other: marriage and children. It’s one of God’s way of sanctifying His own, but it has the opposite affect on others.
One reason I care about the election cycle isn’t because I think we can make a difference. Oh, we can in some ways, we can’t in others. We can make a difference in the medical care situation in the country, but we can’t in the global financial system. This discussion is saved for another time. But one thing the individual vote does at one and the same time is affect the soul and show the content of the soul of the voter. It’s a deeply moral act that has eternal consequences for the one who is given stewardship of the vote.
Now let me turn for a moment to a recent commentary by Jonah Goldberg. Sometimes I disagree vehemently with him, but other times he hits on all cylinders. This day the engine was running to perfection on the dynamometer.
This week there have been some cracks in the façade. Trump’s attacks on Heidi Cruz unsettled even Ann Coulter. And his abortion remarks are still sending tremors through the granite foundations of Trump can-do-no-wrong-ism. Joe Scarborough and Breitbart’s John Nolte are talking about what a bad week he’s having and gravely warning Trump to get his act together. As Jim Geraghty has been writing, the problem with such second thoughts is the assumption that something is amiss with Trump or his campaign. This is Trump. This is his campaign. The Trump we see before us is the same Trump. It’s a bit like when Barack Obama said that the Jeremiah Wright he saw denouncing America wasn’t the man he knew. That was nonsense. Obama knew exactly who Wright was, having attended his church for 20 years. It was only when Wright’s act moved to a larger national stage that all of a sudden he became inconvenient to Obama.
The analogy isn’t perfect, of course. But the basic point is the same. The Donald Trump of the last week is the exact same Donald Trump many of us saw a year ago or five years ago. He’s always been full of sh*t. He’s always been a total ignoramus when it comes to public policy, lacking the simple sense of patriotic duty to do his homework on the issues. He’s always been a nasty and boorish cad. He’s always pretended to be a conservative while working on liberal assumptions of what conservatives want to hear.
His “punish the women” comments were of a piece with his refusal to condemn the Klan on CNN. It’s not that he wants to punish women who have abortions — I’d bet he’s paid more abortion bills than he will ever sign — it’s that he thinks that’s what pro-lifers want to hear. It’s not that he’s a Klansman or that the pillowcases at Mara Lago come with eyeholes cut out in advance. It’s that Trump thinks lots of his fans like the Klan and he wants to pander to them. I have heard first-hand stories from people who’ve worked with Trump about how he disparages women’s appearance routinely. That’s who he is. If you’re attacking him because he retweeted a bad picture of Heidi, that’s not you being principled, it’s you getting cold feet. Indeed, I am sure that the same opportunism that has caused so many supposedly principled conservatives to hitch their wagons to Trump is now causing some of them to question their choices, not because Trump has changed but because the climate might be changing around them. By all means, if Trump continues to unravel (a huge if), please abandon Trump. But don’t think for a moment that the rest of us will automatically take your word for it when you say this or that statement changed your mind about the man. He hasn’t changed, your calculations have.
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Like all demagogues, he’s using his lies as a loyalty test for his followers. He’s exploiting his popularity and abusing the devotion of his fans to force them into going along with his fictions, until they are in so deep psychologically, they have no choice but to carry on. It’s an ancient psychological tactic of authoritarians, Mafia dons, and the like: Force your followers into sharing the blame for your misdeeds so that they can’t break ranks.
Jonah is right. He thinks we want to see women who have gotten abortions in the town center in stocks and chains. He’s pandering to the social right, but he missed on this, and he missed badly. His other positions – support for the second amendment, advocacy for closed borders – can only be assumed to be pandering as well.
Not to worry, though. Just about as soon as he said it, he triangulated his position again, to something like abortion laws are already set and we have to leave it that way. Trumps views on abortion aren’t the topic here. Trump is the topic. He is a mirror in which everyone sees what he or she wants to see, its just that the mirror has to be adjusted based on the onlooker and Trump isn’t really as good a triangulator as he is made out to be.
And that brings me to the conservative voters who have already cast their votes for Trump in the primaries heretofore. Do you remember when socialized medicine was the most important thing about the Obama administration, the holy grail of the progressives? It still is.
And yet, you have jettisoned that most important piece of your world view to support a man who sees things far differently than you, who supports socialized medicine, and who has said that the only thing he would change about the current system is to allow it to cross state lines.
Trump has woven you into his deception, his lies, his evil. And when socialized medicine is codified and solidified for you, your children, and your children’s children to the tenth generation of your progeny, when you see that your seed will hate you and this generation for what has been done to the country, it will be far too late.
Open wide, and suck it down. This is what you voted for, whether in the end it’s Hillary or Trump, or some replacement for Hillary. Own it. It’s yours. The Mafia don asked you to pull the trigger and do the deed. It’s no longer about him. Now it’s about you.
You jangling pile of huckleberries. Your vileness is so full of vileness that it causes moss to become carnivorous. Your feet smell like a Calcutta morgue during a power outage. Even Sudanese pirates are appalled at your ignorance of dinner etiquette. How dare you speak to Niles, Neal.... whatever....like that. He was like a bother to us.
Yes, it began very early in 2015 and was directed at Walker supporters.
It was mean, vindictive, and endless.
What we have here is another unabashed Hillary supporter.
Really well said
Actually, it started with GW in 1999/2000. The difference is that the Trumpets have stopped defending Trump. They just attack anyone who presents anything contrary to their belief about what Trump believes. Trump has been on both sides of every issue so that is easy to do. Libertarians think Trump is a libertarian. Anti-Semites think he is opposed to the “neocons” (yeah I said that). Isolationists think he is an isolationist. In reality, we don’t know what he will do. He has no record. Still, he’s better than Hillary. But that doesn’t mean we form a freaking cult around the guy.
When I asked whether the Trumpets supported Trump’s stand against H1B’s or his stand for H1B’s, they brought out the ZOT graphics.
Really? That’s their answer?
Very nice and very true
95% of current Trump supporters were 2-3 years ago what?
Cruz as first pick for 2016 folks
Then Trump came and blew Cruz out of the water in a 17 man field
Trump has already surpassed Romneys total primaries 2012 vote with what 9 states left?
And having to share votes in a huge field
Do folks not understand the magnitude of this support?
I bet the Dem thinkers like Snake and Plouffe and Jarrett do
Thanks,zzeeman!
Ted Cruz has had a massive advantage over Trump in that the media will not do anything to expose his lies because it hurts Trump. It allowed him to lie with impunity for a long time. But like more moral flaws eventually Lyin’ Ted was exposed.
Thanks,wardaddy. Painful to say, but it is the truth.
I started off liking Cruz a lot, even sent him money when he announced. After Trump announced, I liked Trump more and more, and then when the going got tough, I saw what Cruz was all about.
People who were totally invested in Cruz are hurting right now, but I am tired of the denigration of Trump by them.
Trump is the man in the arena, taking shots from all directions, and is still standing.
Trump is still the same man he was 10 months ago; Cruz—not at all.
(a bother) purposeful, or typo? ;^}
Interesting
Yet another anti freeper site though prolly devoid of the sarcasm and nasty wit of the original back in what....2002....the Clowns
I see open borders Luis Gonzales is there ranting
Are you going to go there and bash the forum because Cruz lost?
That doesn’t make sense and I hope not
I’m going to go back and look more
Please tell me Sinkspur and Dane and the former She Wolf Queen aren’t there
“Please tell me Sinkspur and Dane and the former She Wolf Queen aren’t there”
LMBO!
(If that's not clear enough, then yeah, I'm voting for Trump in November if it's him.)
Found this today, posted by a friend and fellow FReeper:
If y'all are good with that, fine. Personally, I'm ambivalent. I don't want to kill the party; I want to take it over -- replace its current elected membership, and party leadership -- with people like my Congressman, Justin Amash, and others I could name.
For if the GOP is killed, then the Stalinists survive and win without having had to fight for it.
It would have taken you a lot less time and anguish to just post “I’m Ted Cruz’s beotch” LOL!
“Personally, I hope the zots are not permanent.”
Jim’s a pretty fair person. Most of those who simply got caught up in the emotion of it all, will be back. Some others were righteously banned, and should never return.
I don’t hate anyone because of their choice of candidate, and I certainly don’t think anyone should be kicked out for disagreeing with the majority here.
It really does need to go both ways, though. Don’t damn me to hell because I support Trump.
Sinkspur is a big presence over on the latest anti freeper site
Fake priest open border troll
I notice many posters over there disparaging us who still come back over here to post
So typical
This is the history of anti freeper sites for 15 years
A place to go bitch about us and a place for the zotted to go get a lollipop and lap nap from mommy
Yes it’s ironic for me admittedly looking in the rearview at freeper exile
20 months but I never anti freeped nor did I disparage JRs right to make a living off his creation which of course is always their big stick
Whenever I see anti Freepers trolling vicious I always miss nolu chan all the more
He was old back in clown posse days but I hear he’s still out there....he could scare em but good and he lived Dixie
Hugs wherever he is
“I used to like Cruz. I now find him repulsive.”
I think a lot of us have made that transition.
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