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Why didn't Rubio and Carson hang in there after they were mathematically eliminated?

Posted on 04/22/2016 12:47:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Well, for one thing, it would be counterproductive. With three, four or five candidates drawing delegates, it simply prevents anyone from getting to 1237 and ensures that the GOPe gets to install one of their own establishment guys at the convention. The malleable "rules" are designed to to preserve, protect and defend the establishment ruling class. Nothing more.

Cruz knows this. He has betrayed the grassroots.


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; cruz; cruzrhymeswithlose; elections; establishment; jimwasrigthin2011; rules
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1 posted on 04/22/2016 12:47:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Funny when I voted ben carson was on the ballot, trickery is at hand here


2 posted on 04/22/2016 12:51:12 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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Well I want him to stay in. While he may be eliminated from the first round of voting, he is not eliminated from the nomination. Besides, we are better of as long as there is at least one conservative in the race.


3 posted on 04/22/2016 12:51:15 PM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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Cruz only thinks he is going to stay in. After the next 5-6 primary defeats the calls for him to get out will be loud and clear. He will be forced out or totally destroy his career. The voters are going to turn on him bigtime if he tries to take this to convention.


4 posted on 04/22/2016 12:54:41 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Jim Robinson

They dropped out because they were underperforming which led to campaign organization implosions and lack of funding. Cruz DOES have plenty of funding and a good organization which can sustain him to the convention.


5 posted on 04/22/2016 12:55:51 PM PDT by HopeSprings
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To: Jim Robinson

Precisely. He has put ambition ahead of everything else


6 posted on 04/22/2016 12:55:56 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Jim Robinson

Santorum could have stayed in too I guess. He suspended on 4/10/12 but Romney didn’t get to the magic delegate number until June 5th of that year.


7 posted on 04/22/2016 12:56:08 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Ted Cruz's antics show he is playing for 2020 against Hillary)
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To: Jim Robinson

Trump is the presumptive nominee and Cruz is an asterisk, like Kasich. They are mathematically eliminated.

It’s time to unite behind the only viable candidate, if we are to win in November. That’s Donald Trump. The power now is in unity. All Aboard!!!

Cheers!


8 posted on 04/22/2016 12:56:23 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Jim Robinson
Over the last few days, I've repeatedly challenged 2DV, other Cruz fanboys, or any Ted Cruz supporter anywhere to state any plausible scenario whereby Ted Cruz limps into the GOP convention with, at best, 700 delegates or so, and magically seizes the nomination from Donald Trump without irreparably splintering the party, destroying voter enthusiasm, inducing countless Trump voters to stay home, and guaranteeing a Hillary victory in November.

What response have I gotten?

Crickets.

These Ted Cruz fanboys know the truth, as does their preferred candidate, Ted Cruz, and yet they still insist on their suicidal quest to both wreck their own party and even risk their country, all for one man's blind personal ambition. Absolutely shameful.

It would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous.

At this point, Ted Cruz's egotism and narcissism make Donald Trump's ostensible character deficits pale in comparison. They long ago ceded the moral high ground.

Vote Trump

9 posted on 04/22/2016 12:57:12 PM PDT by sargon (No king but Christ!)
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I agree that he’s betrayed the grassroots and personally believe he suspects the GOPe will not vote him in if it goes to a contested convention.


10 posted on 04/22/2016 1:00:12 PM PDT by jazusamo (Have YOU Donated to Free Republic? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jim Robinson

Neither Rubio or Carson had received the endorsement and strategy advisers from the Bush family or the GOPe.


11 posted on 04/22/2016 1:00:15 PM PDT by lee martell
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Trump has won exactly nothing. The master of the “art of the deal” should probably be aware that you actually have to CLOSE the deal.

I want Cruz to stay in...he realizes that it will take conservatism to save the country and if he bails there will not be a conservative left in the race.


12 posted on 04/22/2016 1:01:03 PM PDT by Axeslinger (Trump: the Kaitlyn Jenner of conservatism. One's not a woman, one's not a conservative.)
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To: sargon

The Rosy-Cruzians are blowing smoke. They are nothing but dead enders living in the past.


13 posted on 04/22/2016 1:03:37 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: HopeSprings; taxcontrol

Cruz is underperforming. He has no shot at 1237. He can’t WIN the nomination. The only thing he can accomplish at this point is destroy the party and therefore allow Hillary to win and to destroy the nation.

Cruz is no conservative. He does not put America first. If he did, he would concede and save the nation a whole lot of turmoil. We need to stop the destruction and unite against Hillary.


14 posted on 04/22/2016 1:03:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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I understand your frustration. It is high time to bring unity to the Republican primary.

Unfortunately, it is a very hard pill to swallow if Trump is already moving left before the general.

I expect to vote for Trump in November because he is the most likely candidate to win the nomination, and he is far more conservative than anyone the Democratic party will put forward.

But that is not so conservative that I am enthusiastic about Trump. I want to support him. Would really like to have more confidence in his commitment to govern conservatively. Past few days have not been encouraging.

Is it too late to hope for a Trump-Cruz ticket?


15 posted on 04/22/2016 1:08:38 PM PDT by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: Jim Robinson
Until a candidate achieves the 1237 votes required to secure the (R) nomination they are mathematically eliminated from the nomination, are they not?

Was not Abraham Lincoln mathematically eliminated from the 1860 (R) nomination until the 3rd ballot?

Did Abraham Lincoln betray the grassroots of his day by not leaving the race when he was mathematically eliminated going into the convention?

FReegards!

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16 posted on 04/22/2016 1:10:23 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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We’ve had brokered conventions before. In 1924, the Democrats had 103 rounds of voting before reaching a nomination. Cruz is, in his own words, a driven guy. I don’t see anything nefarious going on here. I would rather have someone who understands how the inside works rather than a man who lacks a core set of principles (Trump).

The US is not a direct democracy. It’s a republic, meaning that people vote for others to represent us. You distrust Cruz; I distrust Trump. I think that’s all there is to it.


17 posted on 04/22/2016 1:11:12 PM PDT by beejaa
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Cruz is no conservative.

Perhaps, but he is more conservative than any other candidate in the race. And since I am a conservative myself, I will vote and support the most conservative candidate I can.

18 posted on 04/22/2016 1:11:16 PM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Agamemnon

“Was not Abraham Lincoln mathematically eliminated from the 1860 (R) nomination until the 3rd ballot?”

Apparently I have to state the obvious.

Today’s traditions are different, the expectations of the Republican voters are different, and a nomination in the style of the 1860s will not be tolerated by many Republican voters who bothered to vote, enough to guarantee the election of the Democrat.

Is that clear enough?


19 posted on 04/22/2016 1:13:21 PM PDT by TTFX
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To: beejaa

No, that’s not all there is to it. One of them has vastly superior support from the electorate.


20 posted on 04/22/2016 1:13:31 PM PDT by The Toll
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