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Republicans Think They’ll Outfox Trump? Think Again
The Daily Beast ^ | 04/18/2016 | Adam Goodman

Posted on 04/18/2016 2:48:49 PM PDT by MaxistheBest

If there’s one thing Trump knows better than just about anybody, it’s how to make a deal. It’s a skill that’ll come in handy in Cleveland.

As pundits and political prophets focus on deciphering the vagaries of “delegate math” leading into July’s Republican convention in Cleveland—how many delegates do you need, how do you secure them, how do you keep them—stories abound about how the party establishment is plotting to deny Donald Trump the nomination.

The prevailing theory is that the grand poobahs of party discipline will pursue a three-step strategy. First, they’ll use Ted Cruz as their Trojan horse to ensure Trump falls short of the 1,237 delegates needed on the first ballot. Then they’ll pivot to stop Cruz from emerging on the second and third ballots. And finally, they’ll implant their own choice as the consensus unifier—John Kasich or Marco Rubio or Scott Walker, now that Paul Ryan has demurred.

There’s just one little problem with this scenario: Donald Trump gets it. He knows the cabal is laying in wait to use the soon-to-be-infamous rule 40(b)—a nominee must have the majority of voting delegates in at least eight states—to validate the coup despite 16 million voters who by then would have pulled the Trump lever over the others.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; 2016gopprimary; election; election2016; gope; lyinted; newyork; trump
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To: tennmountainman
What has the GOP done for you the last 30 years?

Now you've said a mouthful!

61 posted on 04/18/2016 3:49:25 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt
Ya think Trump voters are in the minority?

Since Trump has only received about 37% of the primary vote, and a lot of those votes were not from Republicans but from Dems and independents in the open primaries, yes, by definition that makes Trump voters a minority in the GOP.

The daily caucus on FR suggests you are wrong...

Please - FR is not representative of the GOP at large.

62 posted on 04/18/2016 3:49:32 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Nervous Tick
Cruz is poised to win all the marbles on Ballot #2.

Cruz will be coming into the convention with somewhere between seven and eight hundred delegates won.

If you think he's going to get over six hundred switches on the second ballot, I have this bridge you might want to consider shares in.

Just send your bank info to my Nigerian account.......

63 posted on 04/18/2016 3:49:57 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Currently a bigger slice than Cruzloyalists.

Yeah, but the Cruz supporters aren't the ones threatening to form a third party, so that really is irrelevant to this discussion...

64 posted on 04/18/2016 3:50:57 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: kik5150
Trump is such a genius deal maker yet can’t even figure out the primary system and resorts to cheating claims.

Another keyboard commando who thinks he has it all figured out!

Only a fool draws faulty conclusions before all the moves have been made. A wise man allows the game to play out.

65 posted on 04/18/2016 3:51:57 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: CA Conservative
So after 17 candidates to start Trump has 37%, his nearest rival has 28%, Rubio has 15%, Kaisch has 13%. What is your point? Trump has the majority.

If you want to restrict it to greater than 50% (one of many meanings of majority) no candidate has that and so the original premise by the OP is meaningless.

ma·jor·i·ty

noun: majority; plural noun: majorities

1. the greater number.

"in the majority of cases all will go smoothly" synonyms: larger part/number, greater part/number, best/better part

66 posted on 04/18/2016 3:55:39 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: CA Conservative

That is meaningless drivel. All of the other wannabes have received LESS than that.

Trump 8.2 million
Cruz 6.3 million
Rubio 3.5 million
Kasich 2.9 million

If Trump has brought in nearly 2 million cross-overs, that is more than any Republican since Reagan has done.


67 posted on 04/18/2016 3:57:54 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: JayGalt
What is your point? Trump has the majority.

A majority is over 50%. Right now, Trump has a plurality among the candidates, but a minority of the party as a whole.

68 posted on 04/18/2016 3:58:32 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: jim35

>> You must be a great self admirer.

No, just average ability.

But I can recognize the difference between civil discussion and zero-info ad hominem.


69 posted on 04/18/2016 3:59:30 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: TomGuy
If Trump has brought in nearly 2 million cross-overs, that is more than any Republican since Reagan has done.

Perhaps. But those crossovers are not part of the GOP, and so they have would not count in determining if Trump voters represented a majority of the party or not.

70 posted on 04/18/2016 4:00:39 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: cba123

Hey, that’s at least an argument, rather than smack talk.

I even agree with parts of it.

Thank you.


71 posted on 04/18/2016 4:01:07 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: CA Conservative

You are wrong. I bothered to include the dictionary definition. Sorry it didn’t suit your purposes, here are a few more:

: the greater quantity or share <the majority of the time
: the group or political party having the greater number of votes (as in a legislature)

Usage Note: When majority refers to a particular number of votes, it takes a singular verb: Her majority was five votes. His majority has been growing by 5 percent every year. When it refers to a group of persons or things that are in the majority, it may take either a singular or plural verb, depending on whether the group is considered as a whole or as a set of people considered individually. So we say The majority elects (not elect) the candidate it wants (not they want), since the election is accomplished by the group as a whole; but The majority of the voters live (not lives) in the city, since living in the city is something that each voter does individually. Majority is often preceded by great (but not by greater) in expressing emphatically the sense of “most of”: The great majority approved. The phrase greater majority is appropriate only when considering two majorities: He won by a greater majority in this election than in the last.


72 posted on 04/18/2016 4:07:15 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt
You are wrong. I bothered to include the dictionary definition.

Sorry, when it comes to elections, a majority is 50% +1. Anything less is a minority - less than half.

73 posted on 04/18/2016 4:11:19 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative
those crossovers are not part of the GOP

They certainly won't stay if they see Trump being shafted by the GOPestablishment.

But the GOP has been crying for nearly 2 decades that they need a bigger tent Trump is expanding the tent and they are going into hysterics.


74 posted on 04/18/2016 4:14:36 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: CA Conservative

That would be appropriate if there were two running.


75 posted on 04/18/2016 4:16:52 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt
That would be appropriate if there were two running.

The number of people running doesn't matter. Now, a person can win with a plurality in many cases - more votes than anyone else, but less than a majority - but that still does not make a plurality a majority. It doesn't matter if there are 10 people running for the nomination - a majority of delegates (1237 this year) is still required. It doesn't matter if 4 people are running 4 president - it still takes a majority of electoral votes (270) to win. You don't win just because you have more than everyone else - you need 50% + 1.

76 posted on 04/18/2016 4:21:32 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: MaxistheBest

ryan has demurred....... REALLY...???????

IS THAT IS WHY HE IS WITH THE GOPe RAISING MOENY FROM THE ROMNEY/BUSH/NWO CREW IN NEW YORK....
raising money for his presidential campaign...
a controlable puppet acceptable to the UNIPARTY....
THE SCUMBAGS trump IS FIGHTING...


77 posted on 04/18/2016 4:26:12 PM PDT by zzwhale
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To: CA Conservative

I understand your point but do not yield mine. If there are 3-4 players it is not pertinent to use <50% majority as a measure of weak support from the electorate. Trump has the strongest support from the Republican base of all the candidates at present. Additionally he is the only candidate with significant cross over.


78 posted on 04/18/2016 4:26:25 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Pravious; kik5150; All
I imagine kik5150 has never signed the front of a paycheck either. Most likely a cubical-bound, nine-to-fiver, performing the same monotonous tasks for the last 30 years.

Meanwhile billionaire, international business tycoon Donald Trump continues to groom his children to take over growing the business while, at the same time, running for President.

Yeah, that Trump guy is a real jerk.

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79 posted on 04/18/2016 4:28:55 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: babygene

Maybe Ted cut a deal with Jeb.


80 posted on 04/18/2016 5:13:39 PM PDT by Ozark Tom (Political party: Union whose leadership sold out to a shell corporation and stuck you with the dues.)
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