Posted on 04/17/2016 7:02:53 PM PDT by markomalley
More than six in 10 Republican voters believe that, if no GOP presidential candidate wins a majority of delegates before the convention, the one with the most votes should be the party's nominee, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
That's compared with 33 percent of Republicans who say the nominee instead should be the candidate whom convention delegates think would be the party's best standard-bearer.
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Trump will increase his delegate lead.
Cruz will be mathmatically elimated in 10 days.
Every day he stays in after that, more Americians will turn on him.
That is Cruz’s future. Like Cruz, you will end up a Dead Ender.
Picking a party nominee is a decision that should be made by members of the party. Exercising your constitutional right is an event that happens on the first Tuesday in November.
I call bullshit on that.
So, by your logic, a bound delegate must vote the same on every ballot???
LOL, it never has, does not, and should not ever work that way. This is not the November election, it is the party coming, sometimes with a struggle, to a nominee. It is not a coronation for the GOP version of the Won.
An extreme unrealistically exaggerated case to illustrate: suppose Bernie Sanders ran as a Republican and managed to make it to our convention with 100 delegates. The vast majority of Republican voters despise Bernie, but they split their vote among other candidates such that none of the others got more than 99 delegates.
Of course Bernie does not have a majority but he has a plurality, and its too late to for a run off election from the people. So what to do? That is why we have the delegates who are supposedly loyal to the candidate that sent them there sort it out by more rounds of voting and compromising til somebody who is the closest to reflecting the majority of Republican voters preference emerges.
This is a fine system PROVIDED the delegates were not switched out for one's loyal to Bernie because the Democrats had their operatives inside the Republican party system and engineered what is euphemistically being called a "great ground game" to fill delegate slots with delegates hostile to the candidate who won them. Add this unlikely scenario to our extremely unlikely illustration, and Bernie could by a "great ground game" win by getting no delegates at all. Imagine after all our voting, the delegates sent to our convention are Berine supporters, and no candidate got a majority. Obviously then it is critical that the candidates get to pick their own delegates among people loyal to them, otherwise the people are not properly represented in the contested part of the process.
In summary going to additional unbound votes by the delegates if there is no majority is a fair system, but ONLY provided the delegate selection is up to the candidates who won the slots. Sadly in the current round, this basic pillar of fairness in the process has been intentionally violated (and shockingly praised by some). Hopefully in not too many places.
In the current case, its clear Trump should win, but not automatically. The rules ought be followed. And in the next election cycle, the officials who did the underhanded bull crap of switching delegates out should be relieved of their duties.
Look at it this way.... would you expect the Oklahoma City Thunder to let the other owners in the league vote on who the Thunder’s first draft choice is? It’s the same thing....
Fine print: they better keep rule 40!
and I believe they will, as "they" are Trump/Cruz delegates.
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Most votes is not necessarily most delegates.
By convention time, Cruz should easily have more actual votes than Trump, but that may not be more delegates.
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Won’t matter in the end. Cruz is not going to win FL, OH, MI, PA, etc. Outside of Texas and a few Midwestern states, Cruz does very poorly.
Trumpy should have run 3rd party to begin with. But he thought he could steal the party from the leadership. He was just wrong. The good news is ... He knocked Jeb out. We can all appreciate that.
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Cruz has been the 2nd choice for the vast majority of Non-Cruz voters.
I don’t think Trump is a 2nd choice for any measurable segment.
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But Trump loses to Hillary in every scenario.
It doesn’t matter whether its Republican or Trud party, he loses solidly.
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I'm just saying.... even if Trumpy somehow wins 1,237 delegates between now and the convention.... he still won't get the nomination. Some of his delegates will jump ship and vote for someone else, or whatever. It would not be the first time delegates or even Electoral College Electors didn't vote the way the were suppose to. It's happened numerous times.
They are not going to give the nomination to King Trumpy, the democrat republican hater. And the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth will be monumental here.
“... Cruz should easily have more actual votes than Trump ...”
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Give me some of what you are drinking.
On the first round bound delegates have to vote for the person they are bound to and can not jump ship. So if Trump gets 1237 bound delegates he will win, even if Priebus dearly wishes otherwise.
But people with more authority to talk of the process than I have, seem to think 1200 or even as few as 1100 would be enough for Trump to make up the difference on the first vote by finding unbound delegates to support him.
I am not sure which estimate is more realistic of the 1100 or 1200, but they all seem to agree that 1200 would be enough, and that 37 unbound would be easy to swing.
You don't get it ... do you? You know... it's not a felony if a bound delegate votes for someone else. It's not even a misdemeanor. It has happened before. Even electoral college electors have voted in opposition to the way they were "bound" to vote.
I can't believe that so many smart people here don't fully understand what is coming....
If someone attacked you the way Trump has attacked them... and you could deny them the nomination... wouldn't you do it? Of course you would... and of course they will.
I’m still amazed at so many people who want to give up states rights in order to benefit their candidate.
I hate to think what shape Texas would be in if we didn’t have States rights.
No, he is not.
Way back when ... when the vote was started, before the rules were changed... and the rules shoud have been changed because people were all over the place, listing several choices...
Anyway, way back then I actually put: vote Cruz, or Trump second.
I have learned so much since then that I literally wouldn’t trust Trump to be dog catcher, but I cannot deny the initial attraction.
Yep... I agree. I’m in Oklahoma. We had a closed republican primary. Cruz won.
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