Posted on 04/13/2016 4:58:03 AM PDT by McGruff
Delegate shenanigans are roiling both Democrats and Republican primary races.
For instance, Hillary Clinton seems to be very adept at snagging more delegates than Bernie Sanders even when Bernie wins.
Ted Cruz had been playing this inside game for a while now. A prime example was his loss to Trump in Louisiana, which nonetheless gave him an equal number of delegates, and an opportunity to collect even more.
And Donald Trump is now screeching about Ted Cruz cleaning Trump’s clock in Colorado, where Cruz took all 34 delegates in a Republican convention held on Saturday.
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They voted. They elected representatives who, through a convention process, selected delegates. That’s called a republican form of government, representative democracy...sort of the way the entire Federal Government works. It is exactly the way senators were elected before the 17th Amendment.
Hey, it’s the rules, McGruff. Some people just don’t understand. Just because something is legal, it doesn’t mean it’s moral. Personally? I think morality is far more important than the law. With morality, we don’t even need law. Without morality, no law in the world will be enough to restrain people.
“No one was disenfranchised in Colorado. “
That’s right. The GOPe was only following orders. Not their fault.
Watch the CNN video of the “convention process” on Drudge...
IT shows a cattle call of “speeches” limited to 10 second duration by over 600 potential convention delegates, some indeterminate mix of Cruz and Trump supporters. Most in the video couldn’t even get out a word as to who they supported in the time alotted...
If there was legitimate voting of those attending, there would be at least ONE non-Cruz supporter elected as delegate. Kinda like the odds of ->Hillary! winning 6 coin flips in a row in the Iowa caucus ties. It just doesn’t happen with collusion and a “Fix”.
I looked up the name of one person in the video chosen as delegate, one Libby Szabo. Not surprised to find she is an elected official, with a page of “endorsements” of other politicians on her webpage.
You can’t tell me with a straight face that “Libby” and her circle of “Friends” didn’t sit down and collude which names/number to pick out of the 600+ dots on their ballot. That is not a republican form of government, that is collusion, dishonesty, and disenfranchisement of those not in the Libby circle who had their own independent choices for representation.
I live in a late primary state, and never get any say in the niminee, so quit your freakin’ whining Colorado.
There WAS a vote among Colorado Republicans. Anyone registered as a Republican 30 days prior was eligible to vote. See this for a history recital and timeline: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/yes-donald-colorado-did-vote-on-march-1.
See here for a first person description of how local voting took place on Super Tuseday: http://www.weeklystandard.com/inside-a-colorado-caucus/article/2001928
They VOTED to elect delegates that then REPRESENTED them in electing the final delegates that would REPRESENT them at the Convention.
Representative government. You might be familiar with it. You elect representives and senators at both the State and Federal level. It’s a form of government that has been around a long time.
An article in The Colorado Independent providing in - depth information on voting and how the process works. http://www.coloradoindependent.com/156936/colorado-republican-caucuses.
It’s good to be informed.
Voters, like you and I, are NOT the party.
We are the products the party sells. Trump is attempting to do a hostile takeover, and the Party is not going to let him. Of course, this is pulling the mask off and has the potential to alienate a good chunk of the product supply, but it might mean the consultants keep their job.
You realize that the “election” is for electors, and they are NOT bound by what the popular vote says.
This was by design. The Founding Fathers did not trust the population to elect good leaders. Heck, the Senate was appointed by the governors of the states for a long time.
That's because the straw poll in CO is non-binding.
Delegates are only bound in CO if they sign a pledge. It's been that way in CO since 1912.
What's the point in holding a straw poll if it doesn't bind the delegates to the winner?
“If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it”
- Mark Twain
the states determining their own political processes AS THE US CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES THEY CAN by not saying they can’t.
You brought the constitution into inter party disputes, not me. The parties CAN do as they please in regards to primaries, just as I can point out the system as exercised in Colorado is corrupt. The state governments can do as they please, within equal protection limits, but the state parties are not part of that structure.
While the Feds are limited in what they can prescribe, the GOPee can make rules for participation as they please...they can say, "You have to run your GOPee processes in a certain way, or we don't have to recognize the result." Shame on them for not doing so.
That's an interesting mindset you have...you do recognize there's a constitutional difference between state governments and state parties, don't you?
I live in CO.
Our local county caucus was supposed to have us vote on Delegates. My local GOPee rep said the voting portion was cancelled and we would nominate delegates only.
I didn’t want to be a delegate but was denied the right to vote for one.
So, I was disenfranchised. Any questions?
And, that is the root of the problem.
See post 25
See post 33
I tried to go to a “caucus” and the website said “registration is now closed” and could not find the place to go.
And the caucuses are held for maybe an hour. You show up at 7:30 somewhere and are supposed to be able to figure out who your delegate is.
Quit misrepresenting what went on in CO.
Maybe the RNC will implement the same rules in all states. No need to vote. They’ll decide for you.
They made my decision very easy..No need to vote.. Have at it..I’m done, and so is our country.
What is the root of what problem?
There could well have been at least some anti-Cruz delegates if the Trump organization hadn’t been so incompetent in preparing for the state convention. They actually instructed their people to vote for delegates who were Cruz delegates, they failed to show up, they just blew it.
Right on.
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