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Karl Rove: Let’s face it, the GOP nominee might need to be someone other than Trump or Cruz
Hot Air ^ | 04/01/16 | Allahpundit

Posted on 04/01/2016 5:18:50 PM PDT by Enlightened1

If the establishment wants Ryan, they could nominate Ryan, let Trumpers and Cruz fans spend the next three months screaming that they’ll never vote Republican again, and then pray that the sheer amount of day-to-day irritation they endure from watching Hillary Clinton campaign finally leads those people to say in October, “F*** it, Ryan it is!” That’s a Hail Mary pass, but nominating Cruz after he’s been weakened by Trump attacks and embittered Trump fans by “stealing” the nomination through delegate chicanery is a Hail Mary pass from your own 20. And nominating Trump, given his radioactive unpopularity with the wider electorate, is a Hail Mary pass from your own end zone.

Exit question: Rove claims here that everyone’s misunderstood Rule 40. Is he right? All Rule 40 does, he says, is prevent candidates who’ve failed to win a majority of delegates in eight states from being formally nominated with a big speech and a seconding speech. It doesn’t prevent delegates from voting for whoever they want, which means Ryan, Romney, Walker, Perry, et al. are very much in the mix as nominees. That’s the first time I’ve heard that interpretation. And even if Rove’s right about what the rule says now, I’ve got a funny feeling that that’s not what it’ll say once Trump’s and Cruz’s fans on the Rules Committee are done rewriting it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: karlrove; paulryan; primary; steal
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To: Enlightened1

Shut your fat mouth Porky Pig....(a@#wipe)


41 posted on 04/01/2016 7:23:54 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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42 posted on 04/01/2016 7:25:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Enlightened1

He needs to stop yammering. An apple in his mouth would show his true self..


43 posted on 04/01/2016 7:38:34 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Rufus Shinra
This is why Trump and Cruz supporters must unite against a common enemy if we are to have any chance to turn this country around.

Too late. Had they done it two months ago, it would have worked beautifully. Instead, they chose to destroy each other and now neither of them has a chance in the general election because they are both damaged beyond repair.

44 posted on 04/01/2016 7:45:39 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

45 posted on 04/01/2016 8:07:41 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (n1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men d)
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To: Enlightened1

I promise if they do this I will not vote for any GOPe supported candidate.


46 posted on 04/01/2016 8:17:07 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Washi
Silly hypothetical queries, so YOU answer your won questions first.

Then say IF you will vote for Trump, when he is the nominee.

47 posted on 04/01/2016 8:52:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I've said it before and will continue to say that, yes, I will vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

Cruz would be a far better president than Trump, but Trump would be infinitely better than Clinton or Sanders.

Okay, your turn.

48 posted on 04/01/2016 8:58:05 PM PDT by Washi (Don't blame me. I voted for the conservative.)
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To: Washi
Cruz would be a lousy president; a far worse one than Trump.

He has NO real experience with doing ANYTHING at all, except being a lawyer. He doesn't know ANY foreign laws, any foreign leaders, anything whatsoever about finances, military history, and has lousy judgement where people are concerned. So please tell me WHY you imagine that he would be a "better" president than Trump?

Will I vote for Cruz IF he manages to somehow steal the nomination, which he can't and shan't? I honestly don't know.

Please answer my questions; I actually AM interested in your reply.

49 posted on 04/01/2016 9:18:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Enlightened1

“Let’s face it, the GOP nominee might need to be someone other than Trump or Cruz”

Maybe the GOPe nominee should be Hillary Clinton. There would be a lot of upside to this for the GOPe:

* No one would directly threaten their elitism and insiders club.

* We would get amnesty for all illegal and criminal aliens, which is the number issue to the GOPe for cheap labor for their benefactors.

* The Karl Rove club of GOPe can then give Hillary everything she wants, and the GOPe can say “see, the American people want us to get things done” by not doing anything but just letting the Clinton kleptocracy run amok and also give more of our technology and national secrets and weapons technology to China in return for nice “goodies”.


50 posted on 04/01/2016 9:46:11 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: ShivaFan

Opps... actually Hillary doesn’t have a “fresh face”.

But what about Chelsea?


51 posted on 04/01/2016 9:48:36 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: nopardons
Please answer my questions; I actually AM interested in your reply.

How do you figure he knows no foreign laws, foreign leaders, finances, or military history?

I'll grant you that Trump is an incredible businessman and has probably forgotten more about business and finances than Cruz knows, but a one-dimensional candidate doesn't cut it.

You can continue to take your snide little jabs at Cruz all you want, but:

Cruz knows the Constitution inside and out and knows government inside and out and is a strict constructionist. I really doubt Trump could quote the preamble or enumerate the first ten amendments.

Cruz is a conservative at heart. For years, we've been lamenting the fact that we never get a conservative candidate to vote for. I missed voting for Reagan. This is the first time in my life I actually have the opportunity to vote for a conservative, and the country is too pissed off and blinded by propaganda to take advantage of the opportunity. Trump, on the other hand isn't conservative in his heart, and he doesn't understand conservatism in his head. His handlers wrote the positions he claims on his website, and repeatedly have to bail him out when he puts his foot in his mouth and says something wildly un-conservative.

Cruz is more even tempered and doesn't fly into a tizzy when attacked as easily as Trump (and many, many of his supporters) do. You all may find it endearing that Trump hits back twice as hard (or 3 or 4 or 5 times) when he perceives that he's being attacked, but we don't need a knee-jerk, loose-cannon, thin-skinned president dealing with world leaders.

Trump loves America, and promotes capitalism, so yeah, he'd be a much better president than Clinton or Sanders.

But, Cruz loves America too, and promotes capitalism too, plus he's conservative at heart and doesn't have to fake it to gain votes.

That's why.

Now, I've fully answered your questions, and all I've gotten from you is a bunch of snarky, hateful, comments about Cruz and an "I don't know".

52 posted on 04/01/2016 9:50:42 PM PDT by Washi (Don't blame me. I voted for the conservative.)
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To: Rufus Shinra
I wish it could happen. May be the only way to stop the GOP Rovians. Maybe Trump and Cruz could say "it was all politics'...and make it happen.

The one thing Trump and Cruz supporters agree on is our hatred of DC/GOP/Reince/Establishment total BS that is screwing over all of us.

I fear the only way we can do this is to take our country back from the likes of Romney, Graham, Ryan, Obama, Bush, Rove, Schumer, McCain, Corker, Haley, Clinton, etc. is to join together.

53 posted on 04/01/2016 10:06:18 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Washi
Nice things I have heard about Karl Rove: Karl Rove knows the Constitution insider and out. Karl Rove knows government insider and out and is a strict constructionist, especially when it comes to delegates. Karl Rove can quote the preamble or enumerate the first ten amendments while holding a grease board up with chicken scratches on it. Karl Rove is a conservative at heart. Which now means amnesty for all. Karl Rove talks about Reagan a lot. And he doesn’t have any handlers writing the positions he has on his website, only admirers like Jeb Bush, Romney, Paul Ryan, et all. Karl Rove is even tempered and doesn't fly into a tizzy when attacked. And Karl Rove never hits back twice as hard when he perceives that he's being attacked, instead he does meetings on islands with crony capitalists, CFR types, Goldman Sachs, cheap labor and amnesty advocates, and then rallies millions of dollars to have them attack. I mean, the thing about Karl Rove is he isn’t a knee-jerk, loose-cannon, thin-skinned type. And Karl Rove promotes capitalism, albeit crony capitalism, so yeah, he'd be a much better crony capitalist advocate than others. And Karl Rove loves America too. And that’s why he might be the fresh face we need. And most of all, he is a charismatic fresh face.
54 posted on 04/01/2016 10:11:39 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: ShivaFan
Yeah, nice try.

I'm sure you think you are wildly clever.

If you really think (and are not just propagandizing) that there's no difference between a Conservative Ted Cruz and a "conservative" Karl Rove, you're a lost cause.

There's a reason Rove and the rest of the GOPe hate Ted Cruz, it's because he has shined and continues to shine the light on how far off track to the left the Republican party has gone.

Yep, the GOPe has started "endorsing" Cruz. In part, because between the two viable candidates, they hate Trump more (point for Trump), and in part because "endorsing" Cruz is a really easy way of encouraging the in-fighting between the Cruz and Trump supporters.

55 posted on 04/01/2016 10:24:58 PM PDT by Washi (Don't blame me. I voted for the conservative.)
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To: Washi

“There’s a reason Rove and the rest of the GOPe hate Ted Cruz, it’s because he has shined and continues to shine the light on how far off track to the left the Republican party has gone.”

No, they dislike Cruz for the same reason everybody else does who actually knows him. He is dislikeable. He is a creep. If there was an actual Santa Claus, Cruz wouldn’t get any toys. A prustitute would demand twice the going rate first. He also doesn’t wash his hands enough, everyone in the Senate says so. He’s like green eggs and ham.

“Yep, the GOPe has started ‘endorsing’ Cruz. In part, because between the two viable candidates, they hate Trump more”

No. They hate Trump WAY more. That’s why you need to Vote Trump.


56 posted on 04/01/2016 11:49:13 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: Enlightened1

Not going to be Ryan, but it could be Kasich.


57 posted on 04/02/2016 2:43:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: comebacknewt

Sadly Amen to that.


58 posted on 04/02/2016 2:46:05 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Enlightened1
Here comes Karl Rove and the GOPe with THE BIG STEAL. He comes out and acts like this is pretty normal when it's not. Trump and Cruz supporters prepare for Paul Ryan even though he does not have a single vote. This will be a HIJACKED 2016 SELECTED ELECTION. Maybe this will unite Trump and Cruz supporters against the Establishment?

Unless Cruz opts to back Trump, it won't matter what the different supporters do - he has almost zero chance of wining a nomination but persists in playing spoiler to keep Trump from winning what is within his grasp - giving the real decision over to those who are entrenched and who would rather have Hillary win than Cruz or Trump.

59 posted on 04/02/2016 3:07:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Enlightened1

If Paul had run on a platform of how he really feels:

All citizens who paid into the Social Security Trust Fund (that Congress has raided and spent every dime of) - would be disavowed of their last lame belief that they are owed something back. Social Security in Ryan’s world will be a welfare system for the same people who receive all the other goodies: primarily democrat base voters.

Trade ‘deals’ will be negotiated by Congress - by elite congressmen who make ‘speeches’ and sell their autobiographies to lobbyists for TOP DOLLAR. (oh, and eff the working class)

Borders will NEVER be secured as long as the CHEAP LABOR EXPRESS is willing to BUY the ‘speeches’ of Congressmen.

And last but not least, Paul Ryan is pushing a bill that mandates ‘speeches’ to lobbyist to be at least one minute long - - in case the public starts seeing ‘speeches’ as bribes...

If Paul Ryan had run on his REAL platform he couldn’t be elected dog catcher. He and Karl Rove need to get real.. we’re onto the lies...


60 posted on 04/03/2016 9:24:18 AM PDT by GOPJ ("We have the fight of our lives coming up to save our nation!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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