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Why Utah Mormons' distaste for Trump could turn a red state reluctantly blue
The Guardian ^ | 03-21-2016 | Sam Levin

Posted on 03/21/2016 6:05:54 PM PDT by NRx

The aversion to Donald Trump is so strong among Utah Mormons that if the Republican frontrunner secures the party’s presidential nomination, it could produce a general election outcome that has not happened in half a century: the state could go blue.

“The Bible says if you’ve got a wicked leader, the nation suffers,” said Chris Herrod, a former Utah state representative and a Utah campaign coordinator for Ted Cruz. “I’m not saying Donald Trump is wicked, but for most Utahns, the moral character of a leader makes a big difference.”

At the state’s high-stakes GOP caucuses on Tuesday, political experts say many conservative Mormon voters like Herrod will be motivated by their distaste for the real estate billionaire’s vulgar style, bombastic comments and outlandish anti-immigration policies – fueling an “anyone-but-Trump” mentality that has spread across the political spectrum in the very red state.

A new Deseret News/KSL poll found Trump would lose to Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in Utah, while Kasich or Cruz would both win the state by sizeable margins against either Democrat.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; elections; finoforhillary; finosforhillary; glennbeck; ilovemormons; mittromney; mormons; prophetted; purplestates; sniffingglue; trump; trumpbaggage; trumpmoron; ut2016; utah
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To: Elsie

Not me. I have family that are Mormons, grew up in an area with Mormons, live in an area now with Mormons. I found it is just better for me to get along with them if I don’t go there. I was working on genealogy years ago and because I cook and sew my Mormon brother-in-law told me I would be a good Mormon...he has no idea how I feel about the religion.

I do respect the way of life Mormons support- hard work, close family ties, helping those in need, being self sufficient, thrifty. I was raised that way myself, their religious beliefs, no can do. I have been close enough to have them tell me things without the caution they usually do with non Mormons...nope, no can do.


161 posted on 03/22/2016 2:48:05 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8
I found it is just better for me to get along with them if I don’t go there.

I understand.

162 posted on 03/22/2016 2:58:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tammy8
I have been close enough to have them tell me things without the caution they usually do with non Mormons

Can ya share any publically?

Privately?

163 posted on 03/22/2016 3:14:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I would rather not, but most things they consider important in their religion is done away from non Mormons for good reason, if you are not raised with it I don’t understand how you could accept it. My sister married a Mormon and seemed to do fine, but I sure couldn’t.

The thing that still gets me now several years after my sister passed away is there were basically two funeral services for her. A public one for family and coworkers that are not Mormon and another ceremony of some sort at the temple. I just feel if something has to be a secret from someone’s family even after their death it doesn’t sit right with me. I as her sister could not go to her Mormon service- whatever it was.


164 posted on 03/22/2016 3:47:14 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8
And SLC says Mormonism unites families.

BULL!

165 posted on 03/22/2016 7:02:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

They do the same thing at weddings, even my parents were not allowed at my sister’s temple wedding. It is not uncommon for family to be kept from weddings and such. The only way to keep a family together is if all are Mormon and all are in good standing.


166 posted on 03/22/2016 7:47:34 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8
The only way to keep a family together is if all are Mormon and all are in good standing.

Or...

...if all are Mormon and all are NOT in good standing.

(They just be on Level Two.)

Heck; the don't even HAVE to be Mormon; for they'll STILL end up on Level Two!


HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.
Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.
Telestial - where unbelievers go
 
 
 
HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

 

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".


167 posted on 03/22/2016 7:52:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tammy8
Why would a MORMON want to be on Level One if only about 15% or so of ALL Mormons will attain it?

Sounds like they do not WANT to be around the kin folks for eternity!!

168 posted on 03/22/2016 7:54:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Attention Mormons that I aggravate on FR...

You'd BETTER attain that valued TR card; or else you'll be with ME for eternity!


(And SLC says there's really no Hell...)

Reformed Egyptian!

169 posted on 03/22/2016 7:59:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Speaking of Level One; a Mormon needs a TR to get here.

LDS claims 14 +/- million members; yet it will NOT say how many VALID TR's are in existence.

Why not?

All they got to do is ADD!

If they can keep track of zillions of dead folks names; SURELY a simple calculation of TRs out there would be easy as pie!

170 posted on 03/22/2016 8:17:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

>>>it’s tough not to read what you’re saying as mocking and condescending

My sincere apologies for that.


171 posted on 03/22/2016 9:11:24 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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172 posted on 04/02/2016 6:03:41 PM PDT by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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