Posted on 03/11/2016 8:31:56 PM PST by lonestar67
He went into the belly of the beast. This was a planned confrontation. On both sides.
Only the Lord is Holy. Blasphemers ... not nice people.
I was a prick long before Trump was around.
“Cruz, Rubio and Kasich criticize Trump for creating ‘environment’ for Chicago protest”.......
Guess that bunch of losers don’t believe Trump has the right specified in the First Amendment.
“Cruz did NOT say that the violence was Trump’s fault. He said those who engaged in violence were responsible for that choice. He said Trump is responsible for the culture of his campaign.”
I transcribed the remarks made by Ted Cruz, and he most certainly did accuse Donald Trump and his campaign of also being responsible for some of the violence and escalation of violence in his following remarks. Furthermore, Ted Cruz leaves the false impression such rhetoric has no justification in self defense.
[Ted Cruz] I also want to mention something about the events this evening, in Chicago. This is a sad day. Political discourse should occur in this country without a threat of violence, without anger, and rage and hatred directed at each other. We need to learn to have disagreements without being disagreeable, to have disagreements while respecting human beings on the other side. Earlier today over thirty people were arrested in one rally, and then tonight as violence broke out the rally was canceled altogether. Now the responsibility for that lies with protestors who took violence into their own hands. But in any campaign responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate who is responsible for the culture of the campaign, and when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty [unintelligible].
[Video was edited, reporter comments and questions, unintelligible wording]
[Ted Cruz] I think the decision should be based on public safety. But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence to punch people in the face. The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw earlier today in St. Louis over thirty arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the City of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and instability and even violence, and it is my hope that in 2016 that we can appeal to our better angels avoid going down that road once again.
Thanks AW!M. This Trump-blaming/shaming bull**** going on verbatim from other candidates, which is basicallly identical to the partisan media shilling, reminds me of that grim joke, "how DARE you duck when I throw things at you?!?"
Soros Paid for a riot, and it is somehow Trumps fault? You are in Washington, Oregon, or Colorado, and taking advantage of local brownie recipes, right?
Just read an earlier comment that says a lot about this whole fiasco...
If Trumps comments were inflammatory to his followers as some are claiming, then his followers were be the aggressors...But they aren’t....They are the victims...
This is FACT...
As they say...the truth hurts!
The PT Barnum Trump Circus act can be plenty entertaining.
The down side of The Trump Carnival is that all the nasty tweets, all the childish personal attacks, all the pornographic language & imagery, all the man-handling and threats of physical harm to protesters, and all the racist comments lends to a very polarized environment...violence is one outcome!
Trump will never win in this situation, which of his own making!
Trump reaps as he sows!
I’ll bet this plan was discussed with the 3 stooges when Jeb Bush met with them on debaye day.
Hadn't thought of that, but certainly could be part of it. From conversations I've had with a fairly diverse group of people (including voters for both parties) it seems to me that a significant percentage of the population wants to dismantle the political establishment, entirely, including all the peripheral apparatchiks, and the media who derive their stature from rubbing elbows with these politicians. Seriously. I think it goes that deep. They see this collection of people, on both sides of the aisle, as marginally talented but deeply egotistical and feel that their lives and personal freedoms are being harmed at many levels by a political oligarchy that exists only for its own perpetuation.
They essentially want to disempower and delegitimize all politicians, and return to a system in which politicians are public servants without celebrity status, and the media reports the news and are also not celebrities. There is a lot of anger.
This includes Sanders voters/supporters, who essentially see Hillary as part of this self-interested establishment.
Cruz is a sniveling candyass.
Fixed it for ya.
“Who canceled the Trump rally?”
I saw Trump on Greta last night. He very specifically said he made the decision in order to prevent violence.
Consider the situation the Secret Service likely laid out to Trump:
1) Insufficient police and private security inside and outside the facility to handle a riot.
2) Protesters were organized by professional agitators who would likely provoke aggressive confrontation and violence.
3) Protesters inside the facility were present in sufficient numbers to rush the stage and overwhelm security unless security used force to push them back.
4) If Trump was in imminent danger the SS would be compelled to use weapons. In that even both protesters and innocent supporters would be wounded and die.
5) In the event of gunfire and fatalities inside the facility there would be riots outside the facility and possibly across the country. Thousands of people would be wounded or killed. It is possible the SS provided him with evidence organizers around the country were prepared to take to the streets immediately upon reports of violence in Chicago.
In addition Trump was fully aware during the week leading up to the rally the press, his opponents, and Democrats had suddenly started repeating the meme that Trump and his supporters were violent and Trump’s rallies were places where violence was encouraged. Trump is smart enough to know the sudden focus on the issue of violence at Trump events in the media wasn’t coincidental.
Given the facts at hand, the businessman Trump made the rational decision. He weighed the risks and determined the danger to his supporters, and possibly himself, was too great. It was clear the protesters were organized for violence and by not appearing he could diffuse the event. He consciously chose peace over violence.
It is interesting that no one (politicians, commentators, journalists) is talking about the fact the protesters are deliberately inciting violence. Without the aggressive behavior of the protesters there would be no violence. Why are those who know better in unison condemning as violent the person who chose not to assert his free speech rights when he knew doing so would likely lead to violence? Trump showed great restraint and leadership in stepping back given the circumstances.
We have now seen Trump tested in a real world situation. We’ve also seen the response of Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio when given the opportunity to condemn those promote violence and deny free speech.
I guess many of the Trump supporters missed the question by Jake Tapper on Thursday night which cited numerous “violent type” remarks by Trump and asked him IF he was encouraging violence?
I guess they missed the Hillary and Bernie comments too?
Easier to blame the other 3 candidates.
| ...It seems to me this Republican primary is so fierce because like the Dem primary of 2008 it is assumed whoever wins this will win in November. Very good observation! And would explain why the DemoRATS are out early with their thugs to try and head off Trump. So, looked at this way it's a very positive sign. |
Good Lord! What don’t you guys understand about “Now the responsibility for that lies with protestors who took violence into their own hands.”?
It’s right there in black and white. And you guys keep claiming that he said the exact opposite.
Please just stop lying.
For Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich to blame Trump reminds me of the controversial Nikki Haley blaming a Civil War battle flag for the horrific church murders.
Some fake and lunatic conservatives are living in the rosy world of Mr Obama and the multiculty globalists who are trying to sell you the wonderfull world of open borders and the big melting pot of all “cultures” “religions” and people .
Trump in this campaign and since years ( decades ! ) is the only candidate focusing on that dangerous ( criminal ) lunacy ....
The forces which want to destroy the FREE WORLD ( communist , islamist and big owned croocks...) , founded on christianism , are feeling the threat .
BTW i am wondering if the current pope is really christian ( i am catholic ). I am wondering what kind of christian is Cruz .....
Oh, good grief. You are accepting almost the same narrative that was foisted upon the Tea Party when the big Tea Party rallies began occurring. The Tea Partiers are racist. They are homophobes. They want to re-enslave blacks. They are ANGRY. Who knows what they might do...
Of course anyone who went to a Tea Party rally knew the attendees were 99.9% nice, respectable people who behaved well and cleaned up after themselves. They were angry about what was happening to their country, and rightly so, but not in the sense of violent intent. Nor were they racist: My wife is a quite “brown” Asian-Hispanic with a strong accent, and no one was anything but totally polite and nice to her.
Anyone who thinks that some of these protesters are not going to Trump rallies looking to physically disrupt them is dreaming. Any one who thinks that if Cruz was well in the lead, drawing big crowds, and convincing a lot of people that he will do what they have been clamoring for, and would not have tumult like last night occur, is similarly dreaming. This is how these people (the far left) operate, when they think they might not get their way.
You honestly can’t see what you’ve become. What Ted Cruz said was true: Each man is responsible for his own actions. You are not responsible for the Trump supporters at the rallies or Trump. Trump is not responsible for BLM. Trump is only responsible for what he has said or done.
On this board I have gotten almost nothing but verbally violent responses - responses not meant to engage intellectually but meant only to hurt me for saying something you don’t like. Undoubtedly you would say that you only have to be violent because of my actions; I am to blame for your violent attitude. That’s what almost all of the responses I’ve gotten here are saying: “the devil (that smug, self-righteous butterdezillion) made me do it. I HAD to be verbally violent.”
Can you really not see that you’re becoming just like BLM, the screaming Allahu Akbar madman, Bill Ayers? You are adopting their philosophy that somebody else’s actions justify your own verbal violence.
Ted Cruz said the opposite. He said each person is responsible for their own actions. If Trump says he’ll pay the legal bill if his supporters injure somebody on his behalf, he is responsible for those words. Our words have consequences, and the consequence for reckless words can be an environment that’s not helpful. This is basic stuff we all would have agreed upon when sane. But this is a climate of insanity, because people cannot see what they have become.
Words are useless here. And that’s sad.
Words are wasted here.
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