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1 posted on 02/25/2016 4:00:34 PM PST by NYer
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To: Swordmaker
They want the devices to be less encrypted than they are now. But they're camouflaging those desires by focusing everybody's attention here.

Ping!

2 posted on 02/25/2016 4:01:07 PM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer
The FBI-Apple Battle Is About Much More Than One Phone

Yeah, it's about Apple obeying court orders when they get them.

3 posted on 02/25/2016 4:02:07 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Why is this a problem at all?

The FBI hires hackers that crack the phone (they have done it before). As part of the case files and “Freedom of Information” the crack becomes public. Apple cries like the whinny little purveyors of over priced junk that they are.

Seems to me like everybody wins.


4 posted on 02/25/2016 4:05:03 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: NYer

Don’t give a crap, Rush. Don’t care if they have to waterboard Tim Cook. Unlock the damn phone!


5 posted on 02/25/2016 4:06:04 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: NYer

The FBI is pretending it’s all about this one phone but, who in the Fook will they prosecute anyway?

it’s not even about incrementalism.

It will be outright destruction of your 4th amendment rights, while they catalog your 1st amendment acts “Against the State and a Present Danger”.

Worse, it will enable all “Anti Free Thinkers” to regulate anything that is given, by God, to man, as an individual to Freely Associate, Worship, construct & disseminate thoughts or organize in any way deemed a threat to the givernments world wide...

It will be about any form of communication or device.


6 posted on 02/25/2016 4:07:15 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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Why does the FBI need to get into the phone to see who the terrorist was calling? The service provider (Verizon, AT&T, Whoever). Has all those details in their files. When I get online to my cell account I can see the numbers I called or who called me, whether it was a voice call or a text. I’m told the providers can even retrieve the text and attachments from text messages. The FBI can bypass Apple altogether, but they won’t. They want the master key to get into every iPhone.


21 posted on 02/25/2016 4:36:18 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: NYer

Who do you trust more, Apple or Uncle Sam?

Who do you trust more to keep your personal information safe, Apple or Uncle Sam?

Who is Constitutionally Mandated to defend your rights regarding privacy/safety/liberty?

Who is going to make you pay for securing your rights regarding privacy/safety/liberty?

Who will track down and confront/arrest/stop terrorists?

This episode does NOT have an either/or solution.

The Feds have screwed up by breaking the trust with the American people and over-reaching in their demands. Edward Snowden revealed the duplicity of our Intelligence Agencies.

As a US Company, Apple has screwed up by choosing a foolish 3 legged marketing/business strategy:
1. Distrust of US Government
2. Technical innovation
3. Sales to anyone world wide

I’m not defending the government. I’m not defending Apple.

We need to trust our government because.......
Our government is the entity tasked with our security against terrorists. That is not Apple’s job.

How does the government regain the trust?


25 posted on 02/25/2016 4:53:52 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: NYer

don’t believe anything the FBI says

if you want to securely encrypt something,
use stand-alone encryption.

the idea that a carry-around device is going to be
secure, seems odd to me.

with that said,

Apple is being forced to write software that
hacks their own device...
to set a precedence for the future.


28 posted on 02/25/2016 5:11:00 PM PST by RockyTx
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RUSH has been and is on Apple's side because somehow and in some way there is $, Apple stock or personal bennies and perks involved. RUSH doesn't do or say anything about any product or service unless it $ benifits him personally, period!

RUSH is always personally hawking Apple's "latest and greatest" Chi-com Apple junk on his show. He always does so within the context/content of the show itself, NEVER as a separate advertisement or sponsored commercial.

For years I have suspected RUSH has some kind of cushy unstated reciprocal arrangement/agreement with Apple. The fact that RUSH as never once mentioned or condemned Apple's bending over and grabbing their ankles whenever the Communist Chinese government demands and is given the exact same thing and more concerning access to EVERYONE'S Apple products throughout ALL of Communist China, while at the same time he cries foul, citing "privacy concerns" and defends Apple's denial of access to the American governments request concerning ONE phone formerly owned by a Muslim "American 'citzen'" who carried out a Muslim terrorist attack which left 14 Americans dead and a number of other Americans severely wounded clinches my long-held suspicion that RUSH is in bed $ with Apple, something that he will never reveal to his listening "audience", that gloms onto early everything he says.

32 posted on 02/25/2016 5:53:15 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Almighty God; deliver us from this evil through your Beloved, Son Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen)
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But it is only one phone .... they can destroy the software after the retrieve the data .... this is a one time only order .... we guarantee that no hackers, etc. will have access to the back door ..... bend over, grab your ankles and spread them ... you can trust us because we are the government!


36 posted on 02/25/2016 6:20:50 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet ("Just living the life" in Democratic Socialist Venuzuela, EU, Argentina, etc. /S/)
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To: NYer

Apple is right about this. If the government can FORCE them to develop a product against their will and without payment, especially a product that specifically obviates a major strategic and competitive marketing tool that they offer products that guarantee privacy and which potentially could cost Apple billions in lost sales and good will, then the government can order pretty much any company to do anything they want. In other words, the U.S. government becomes a full-blown fascist organization.


42 posted on 02/25/2016 7:22:58 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: NYer

bkmk


45 posted on 02/26/2016 8:40:59 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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