Posted on 02/20/2016 8:55:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
conservative voters, even those that don’t like Trump will be outrage and refuse to vote or protest vehemently
If they can’t be moved to vote out of self preening petulance, then they have no cause to complain about the direction of the country, do they...
I’d like to go to my grave knowing I didnt vote for a liberal .
No, you just failed to cancel a vote for a communist, so...
The Party's Rule 40 states:
(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nominationIf Trump wins 8 or more "winner take all" states, and no other candidate has passed the 8-state threshold, then Trump may show up at the convention as the ONLY candidate who is allowed to be voted on in the first round.
His message focused on fear, anger, disgust, and a desire to “Make America Great Again”
NOPE, John Hudack (??) still does not get it!
“Fear”, hah, Trump and his supporters are fearless.
“anger, disgust”, you betcha, directed at the professional politicians who promise one thing, then do the exact opposite to cling to their office and perks.
“desire” to make Americia Great Again, that which Trump has promised is not a heavy lift. Trump pledges to follow a law and build the wall, junk 0bama care, and look after the best interests of US Citizens
“If he’s the nominee, not voting for him means supporting Hillary as the next judge-picker”
Effectively, yes. And isn’t that EXACTLY what happened to Romney? Millions of Republicans just stayed home. I don’t think it will be any different with Trump. His negatives are way too high among Republicans. He has offended to many people, changed his story too many times, changed positions too many times, and clearly has no conservative bona fides. Many people assume he is saying whatever will get him votes. I don’t doubt his native intelligence. I just have no reason whatsoever to believe he holds views all that similar to mine.
“Compared to Hillary? Are you being serious?”
Yes, and I’m right too. Remember, millions of Republicans refused to vote for Romney. They just stayed home even though that meant four more years of Obama. If some Republicans were willing to do that, then there are some who are willing to stand aside . . . and effectively allow Hillary to win. Do you think Jeb’s supporters will ever support Trump? Rubio’s? Kasich’s?
So where now? Rubio can't win alone. Cruz can't win alone. They are like Germany in WW I---they each need an ally. But do they gang up on Trump (hating each other as they do)? Or does one deal with the Donald? You know my prediction (and so far I have been right on Trump) from last summer. Cruz and Trump met in NYC twice, an hour and a half each time. They were'n't looking at Jimmy Chu catalogues. The deal then was, I remain convinced, three fold:
1) Keep from attacking each other as long as possible. (Grade: A+). They managed to only say nice things about each other until December. Remarkable. I remember the second debate (I think second) where the moderator tried to get Trump to say something bad about Ted and he said "Oh he's all right. Don't you worry about him."
2) Once they had to fight, they agreed it would be no holds barred. I am sure back in June and July Trump said, "When we come to that point I'm using everything--birth, flip-flops, anything I can," and I'm sure Cruz said "same here. I will call you a liberal, question your values." May the best man win.
3) Where we almost are now: Ted has MUCH more in common with Trump than Rubes: they are both outsiders, despised by the party and elites, pretty much on the same side of the big issues. I think Cruz knows that with Trump he would have a good shot at the Supreme Court. With Rubes, I think he knows he'll be a convenience, completely ignored if they win.
If I am Ted Cruz I give it til Super Tues, but the reality in "deal making" is you have to deal while you have cards to play. If Trump wins many more, Ted's cards will be gone.
Always interesting, LS. Thanks.
“3) Where we almost are now: Ted has MUCH more in common with Trump than Rubes: they are both outsiders, despised by the party and elites, pretty much on the same side of the big issues. I think Cruz knows that with Trump he would have a good shot at the Supreme Court. With Rubes, I think he knows he’ll be a convenience, completely ignored if they win.”
Win/win.
Fascinating to see how this plays out.
We will see if Ted is as smart as most of us here think he is.
His ability to do a ground game is impressive, even in losing. Can he repeat that in a really blue state? Dunno. Geographically, he adds a little (New Yorker, Texan, but both have same basic appeal). In intangibles, Cruz would be a treasure by giving Trump the Constitutional wherewithal in cabinet meetings to properly frame everything-—without embarrassing him in public by contradicting him (i.e., in a debate).
ditto post 215
lots of liberal attitude here. Those who ‘know’ what is best for the rest.
The dynamics, considering what is at stake for the republic, are breathtaking. Going forward, both men and their detractors will be exposed.
HOORAY Cruz
HOORAY Trump
Maybe not. But it does make it more likely.
Piffle. All of the GOPe rules mean nothing, nada, zippo. The fact is Donald Trump/s towering wins mean that he now OWNS the Republican Party. Anything the GOPe did is DOA....including rules that were meant to cement the establishment candidates in power.
THIS IS THE BEST PART Party leaders are scared to death of Trump/s candidacy. They know he can make his own rules.
How did that work out for them?
No politician has survived so much time in the furnace with so little scarring to show for it. His negatives all relate to the beating he gave those who did it to him.
Talk about tempering. I can't imagine anyone wanting to try THAT again. Well, in fact, the result of Bush's and GOPe's $100M spend was that Bush said enough already.
What we learned from that is that Cruz's position is that Trump lied about him lying about Trump lying about Cruz lying. Oh and that Crewzoids claim he is the "true conservative," and that voters think that is largely irrelevant. We know Trump's views quite well. We can all recite them. Cruz's? Uh, ah, uh, well, er, uh, he is a really really smart ivy League lawyer -and uh conservative.
Cruz schlonged himself, and I don't know how he backs out of the morass he has entangled himself in.
Trump can get back on message easily. In fact, he never got off message - luxury condo [hardwood cabinets, gym, swimming pool, two parking places, guarded door, 5th avenue shopping, views of NYC]. We all know the list.
LOL! That is like taking title to a toxic waste dump.
I don’t think the GOP knows what they’ll be in for IF they somehow screw Trump out of the nomination after he amasses a commanding number of delegates. They’re used to making deals with politicians. If they say to Trump privately “Hey, if you fall on your sword on this one your turn will be next election”. Or “If you fall on your sword on this one we’ll take care of you for life”....he’s going to go public early and often and rat out the entire nest of vipers. He will essentially destroy the GOP as a party and basically put every GOP hack out of a job. After he does this his popularity is going to skyrocket.
Trump is only in it to get Jeb Bush elected.
I don’t buy that reasoning in the least. That is the lesser of two evils argument. We’ve been sold a bill of goods with that line over and over again. When people finally realize that voting the liberal to represent the conservative brand then maybe just maybe Conservatism will be relavant again. Conservatives have sold their souls to the cheapest used car salesman out there.
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