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Ted Cruz birther lawsuit makes it to Cook County courtroom
Chicago Tribune ^ | February 19, 2016 | Justin Wm. Moyer

Posted on 02/19/2016 11:30:09 AM PST by Coronal

Not along ago, Illinois pharmacist and attorney Lawrence Joyce began to realize his country and his political party were facing what he considered to be a nightmare.

Concerns about the eligibility for the presidency of Republican candidate Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas, who was born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother, were raised by rival Donald Trump. Though they may at first have seemed laughable, the legal case against Cruz was one Joyce, a Ben Carson supporter, thought he understood.

The Constitution requires the president to be a "natural born" citizen of the United States, and as far as Joyce is concerned, Cruz isn't one.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: canadian; cruz; cruznbc; cruznbccourt
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To: Principled

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which at the time was an incorporated US Territory and sovereign soil.


21 posted on 02/19/2016 11:51:04 AM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: Coronal
Lawrence Joyce explains his lawsuit
22 posted on 02/19/2016 11:51:39 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: PJBankard

Forgot that part, thanks for posting.


23 posted on 02/19/2016 11:52:47 AM PST by nascarnation (RIP Scalia. Godspeed)
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To: bigbob

24 posted on 02/19/2016 11:56:11 AM PST by newfreep (TRUMP & <S>Cruz</S> 2016 - "Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: New Jersey Realist

lol bzzzzzztttt try again


25 posted on 02/19/2016 11:56:20 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: napscoordinator

So, if two Americans are on vacation in England and the woman gives birth in England, that child could not be president?


26 posted on 02/19/2016 11:56:41 AM PST by Baldwin77
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To: John Valentine

>>BTW, a child born outside the territory of the USA is not therefore also born “outside the jurisdiction of the United States” and can naturally inherit citizenship via the parent(s). No statute law necessary.

And where in the Constitution does it say that children born to US citizens outside of the US are automatically citizens. It doesn’t, it does however say that in the naturalization laws enacted by Congress.


27 posted on 02/19/2016 11:56:57 AM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: Cboldt

Wish I had seen the IN post earlier I would have watched. Third on.list is out 9th district representative. He has had problems getting his name on ballot. Not enough signatures


28 posted on 02/19/2016 11:58:10 AM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans!)
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To: PJBankard

Thats not why he was a natural born citizen.


29 posted on 02/19/2016 11:58:20 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Principled

He was born in Panama a territory of the US while his American born parents were stationed there in the Navy.


30 posted on 02/19/2016 11:58:53 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: nascarnation

Except his conclusion is false. The only way persons born in Panama become US citizens, even if they are born of citizen parents, is by naturalization. Same is true for all the other US territories, including Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.


31 posted on 02/19/2016 11:58:53 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: New Jersey Realist

When are you people going to get it through your head.....legal opininins in a separate case set NO precedent, and carry no more weight to another case then a legal footnote.


32 posted on 02/19/2016 11:58:58 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Baldwin77

Yep. We have only had 44 Presidents out of billions of people. We should at least keep it that you have to born in America. I have two kids who were born overseas and I don’t think they should be President. Sorry but it’s not like millions become President. 44 out of billions. Not everyone can be all careers is that unfair?


33 posted on 02/19/2016 11:59:44 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Coronal

This will be a quagmire for cruz.


34 posted on 02/19/2016 12:00:07 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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To: Principled

As written in the 1958 Immigration law, birth in Panama Canal Zone was considered U.S. territory.


35 posted on 02/19/2016 12:00:20 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: WENDLE
This will be a quagmire for cruz.

I can't wait until Cruz deposes Trump.

But Cruz won't have the chance, of course, because Trump will never sue Cruz. Trump is a paper tiger in an empty suit. And someone finally called his bluff.

36 posted on 02/19/2016 12:01:50 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: traderrob6

Rulings don’t occur in a vacuum. Judges look for why decisions were made as well and are very unlikely to overturn another SCOTUS decision.


37 posted on 02/19/2016 12:03:59 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Cboldt

“Common law” vs constitution. Geeeeze


38 posted on 02/19/2016 12:05:09 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans!)
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To: driftdiver

Yes, I’m aware. But if it wasn’t for the fact that the Canal Zone was a US Territory at the time, he couldn’t be considered an NBC.


39 posted on 02/19/2016 12:09:19 PM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: hoosiermama
Indiana Election Commission members ...

I don't know which one dissented on the Cruz decision, other than it wasn't Long.
40 posted on 02/19/2016 12:15:32 PM PST by Cboldt
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