Posted on 02/01/2016 7:36:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
CRUZ HITS TRUMP ON HEALTH CARE - AND HE'S KIND OF RIGHT - Locked in a close battle in Iowa, Ted Cruz is turning to health care in an attempt to separate himself from rival Donald Trump. A brutal ad airing in Iowa links "HillaryCare" and "ObamaCare" with "TrumpCare" - and uses Trump's own words against him.
"Everybody's got to be covered, this is an un-Republican thing for me to say," the ad quotes Trump saying on 60 Minutes last fall. "[And] the government's gonna pay for it."
Cruz pushed this message further on several Sunday shows. "A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for ObamaCare," Cruz claimed on Meet The Press. "Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have the identical position on health care. Which is they want to put the government in charge of you and your doctor. Now my views are polar opposites."
- TrumpCare remains vaguely defined. Trump called Cruz a "total liar" and declared, "I am so against Obamacare." But the thing is, Trump has repeatedly reiterated his commitment to some form of universal coverage - just as Cruz suggests. However, we still don't know any specifics of a Trump health plan, or how he'd pay for it.
Pressed again on Sunday, he still refused to offer details. "We'll work something out," Trump said on ABC's This Week. "Nobody knows health care better than Donald Trump."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
That is not true.
Your are welcome! I have had a really bad flu/cold the past couple of weeks, so about all I have been able to do is read my Bible, pray, and follow the election news. So I am not sure how much of this is me, and how much is the Holy Spirit.
While Donald Trump doesn’t say it, explicitly, you can’t Make America Great Again, if you don’t Make America Good Again. Notice that when he talks about making government more efficient, he is really talking about getting the corruption out of government.
What, specifically, is “not true”? I do employment law for a living, and work with health care lawyers, and represent companies in union negotiations that include health care discussions. So if you’re going to say that I’m wrong, you need to be specific.
Absolutely correct and I concur.
Not sure if you’ve tried it yet, but on your cold/flu affliction, see if you can locate a supplement in your local health food store (or larger drug stores) called “Olive Leaf Extract”, it comes in 500mg capsules, it comes from (as you might suspect) the olive tree, is all natural and is a very powerful anti-toxin, it drives out, flushes out all sorts of bad stuff from your system, I had some severe sinus issues about 10 years ago, and after a week of OLE, I was breathing freely again and have had few problems since.
This supplement also works well as an anti-viral agent too.
I’ll be talking to the doctor that we have in common (Doctor Jesus), I will be sure to pray for you.
I don’t believe you.
I don’t buy the idea we have tens of millions of people without insurance that can’t access Medicaid.
If that wasn't true, then why was the Medicaid expansion such a big part of Obamacare's plan to cover those without insurance?
What was the number one group added?
I suspect push 1 for Spanish would be a good clue.
I am taking Mrs. Submareener’s magic virus killer:
Astragalus, 400 mg
Beta-Carotene, 25000 mg
Echinacea/Goldenseal, 250 mg
Vitamin C, 1000 mg
Unfortunately, I let it get a couple of day start on me before fighting back.
Well, here's one place to start. This is from 2012, the Social Security Administration, and discusses Medicaid pre-Obamacare:
Until 2014, when the Affordable Care Act will expand Medicaid eligibility, Medicaid does not provide medical assistance for all poor persons. Under the broadest provisions of the federal statute, Medicaid does not currently provide health care services even for very poor persons unless they are in one of the groups designated below.
Low income is only one test for Medicaid eligibility for most of those within these groups; their financial resources also are tested against threshold levels (as determined by each state within federal guidelines)....
The following enumerates the mandatory Medicaid "categorically needy" eligibility groups for which federal matching funds are provided:
Limited-income families with children, as described in section 1931 of the Social Security Act, are generally eligible for Medicaid if they meet the requirements for the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program that were in effect in their state on July 16, 1996.
Children under age 6 whose family income is at or below 133 percent of the FPL. (As of January 2012, the FPL has been set at $23,050 for a family of four in the continental U.S.; Alaska and Hawaii's FPLs are $28,820 and $26,510, respectively.)
Pregnant women whose family income is below 133 percent of the FPL. (Services to these women are limited to those related to pregnancy, complications of pregnancy, delivery, and postpartum care.)
Infants born to Medicaid-eligible women, for the first year of life with certain restrictions.
Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients in most states (or aged, blind, and disabled individuals in states using more restrictive Medicaid eligibility requirements that pre-date SSI).
Recipients of adoption or foster care assistance under Title IV-E of the Social Security Act.
Special protected groups (typically individuals who lose their cash assistance under Title IV-A or SSI because of earnings from work or from increased Social Security benefits, but who may keep Medicaid for a period of time). All children under age 19, in families with incomes at or below the FPL.
Certain Medicare beneficiaries (described later).
https://www.socialsecurity.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/supplement/2012/medicaid.html
So as you can see -- just for starters -- adult men and women without kids weren't covered. Period.
The other cutoffs, including AFDC, were set at 133% of the federal poverty line, and that's where they still are in many cases.
Here is a specific example of current law from the State of Indiana's own government website, showing eligibility for Indiana's Medicaid Program called Healthy Indiana:
http://bloomington.in.gov/documents/viewDocument.php?document_id=2334
WHO IS ELIGIBLE? Indiana Residents ages 19-64 with incomes up to $16,297 annually for an individual, $21,967 for a couple or $33,307 for a family of four are generally eligible to participate in HIP 2.0.
Now this is post-Obamacare, so it includes an expansion to all adults, unlike pre-Obamacare (which is what Trump has said he will appeal). Even so, if you make $16,300, you are not eligible. Which means you'd have to buy your own health insurance, and pay all the out of pocket costs, while making less than $1400/month pre-tax.
So, you still think everyone is covered? Because I've got a bargaining unit I can introduce you to that will set you straight on that.
He has been clear on repealing O’Care. Trump made the horrible mistake of saying, I won’t leave people dying in the street if they are broke.
That Trump - What a jerk!/s
Cruz has the dog whistle going big time!
But...he doesn't believe you.
See how easy that is? Man, I almost feel like giving up sometimes. There are so many people who are fundamentally uneducated on key issues, and form their opinions based on incomplete, or even completely incorrect, factual knowledge. And for every 2-3 you straighten out here (who won't even admit they were wrong), there are 100 in the hinterlands who will continue thinking that Medicaid covered everyone, so Trump promised nothing.
I used to think we were the party of intelligent, informed voters, and it was those other guys who voted on emotion.
My bad.
So rather than answering the "dying on the streets" claim, he could have simply said that it should be a state responsibility because states are constrained by balanced budget requirements, and the feds aren't.
Of course, I suppose I'm wrong in calling it a mistake, because it wasn't. It's very clear from the whole contest that he meant exactly what he said.
So slapping the press around demonstrates strong leadership?
Is this Free Republic???
Leadership is displayed through a candidates persona or personality as well as policy. Trump is the only R. candidate who commands a room and terrifies the press(why they have worked so hard to take him down). Reagan is the only other R. candidate I remember with this ability, though a different style.
It would be nice if policy were the only important determining factor in our choice in an election, but that is just fantasy. And a guaranteed way to lose.
A commanding persona is an absolute requirement for the R.’s, because so much of the establishment media’s purpose, during elections is to take them down.
Remember Romney, spending half his time apologizing for being wealthy. Compare that to Trump, who during his very first press conference announcing his candidacy stated, yeah I’m not just wealthy I’m a billionaire. Seems like a trivial thing, but Trump demonstrated confidence and leadership, Romney something less. Our other candidates dance around issues like immigration, playing the nuance game with us, while Trump simply states, we are going to build a wall. And lets cards fall where they may. Leadership and confidence on display.
I’m surprised you don’t see this.
Most of the charity based hospitals like Catholic, Jewish are no longer around. The hospital emergency rooms are actually “leased out” operations who tend to get stuck with all the indigents, so guess what happened? The hospitals could not get operators for the ER’s which means some hospitals have NO ER’S.
Cleveland Clinic of Cleveland would not let you in the ER unless you were a current patient with a Cleveland Clinic Member card. So everyone who needs ER treatment gets funneled to Metrohealth.
Go ahead and drop dead on your way there.
That sounds like a powerful solution to your problem FRiend, lucky that you have Mrs. SubMareener to nurse you back to health! :)
Be well.
No, Trump made the horrible mistake of assuming the entitlement mentality that it is the role of the federal government to ensure that everyone has health care.
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I serve on the board of one of the largest healthcare systems in the United States and I assure you, that the Feds give us money to take care of the indigent people already no matter what you think about it. Oh and it gets priority over other spending so there’s that.
What Trump has discussed is letting everyone get covered through allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines which would be fine.
He said everyone would be covered, if he says the government would pay for each individual person in the US he mispoke as it does not comport with his written materials.
You’re a riot.
They’re means tested. Who knew?
What did I say in my post?
Oh yes, I said the were means tested.
Thanks for clearing up that they’re means tested. Is it any wonder folks have such a great opinion of attorneys.
So it’s your considered opinion that Medicaid is never available to any adult?
Maybe you should talk to your crew.
Exactly. Trump’s very clear in his book about what he would do. He wants to let insurance companies compete across state lines to increase competition and drive rates down. He also wants to deport illegals who are a huge drain on the healthcare system. He was very upfront in his book that he has ideas but cannot stand politicians that lay out a pint by point plan like Jeb, that will never get enacted. He said his job is to find the best people to come up with a plan to implement his vision. He is for repealing OC, lowering premiums through competition and having a safety net for the truly destitute which we already have in Medicaid. Cruz is twisting this into single payer which it is most certainly not.
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