Posted on 01/29/2016 8:45:19 AM PST by Iron Munro
Here's an idea.
If we can't outlaw guns or confiscate them, tax them.
Make it a law to register everyone's guns and then charge a tax yearly for each one of them.
Slowly raise the taxes every year (due to an increasing bureaucracy to handle the paperwork) so they become too expensive to own.
When and if the taxes are overdue, take out a lien on the guns and foreclose on them.
Hold them until exorbitant taxes, storage and lawyer fees (more than the gun is worth) are paid.
If not paid in a timely fashion, they will be destroyed.
If a gun is not registered to be taxed it will be confiscated because it was not reported, not because it is illegal to own.
Fines and back taxes will have to be paid to get the weapon back.
If not paid in a timely fashion, they will be destroyed.
A certificate must be attached to every single weapon to prove the yearly tax has been paid.
Greg Olson
Tampa
‘If we can’t outlaw guns or confiscate them, tax them.’
I would find absolutely no difference between that statement and the following:
If we can’t outlaw democrats or confine them to an insane asylum, tax them.
Since one of these two statements clearly causes risk to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... we would only be able to enact one of them. Oh well, not really going to miss those democrats anyway.
“Taxing the right to keep and bear arms out of existence is tantamount to abrogating the Second Amendment. ... you can no more do that constitutionally”
Except we do have well-established precedent.
NFA laws tax the right to keep and bear arms of distinctly military value practically out of existence. For 82 years, a $200 tax plus registration has severely abrogated the 2nd Amendment, starting out as a stifling ~400% tax (and thru inflation, only recently has the NFA market expanded having brought the tax down to a relatively palatable ~25%), with severe fines for non-payment and paperwork errors. Extending this to non-military arms should be a no-brainer for a skilled Constitutional lawyer bent on bending the Constitution to the Left’s will. Seems the only reason we _haven’t_ seen NFA restrictions extended to all firearms is (A) the likely severe backlash, and (B) it would spark a SCOTUS review that would likely overturn NFA.
_Miller_ has upheld such infringement for a very long time (riddled with flaws, yes, but upheld nonetheless).
_Heller_ established that licensing is tolerable, so long as no arbitrary denial of application & payment - which NFA matches (you’ll get permission, just might take a pile of paperwork, money, and time).
We desperately need a serious assault on the validity of NFA law ... lest NFA law be used to seriously assault us.
Respectfully disagree.
Here’s an idea.
If we can’t outlaw free speech, tax it.
Make it a law to register everyone’s computers and then charge a tax yearly for each one of them.
Slowly raise the taxes every year (due to an increasing bureaucracy to handle the paperwork) so they become too expensive to own.
When and if the taxes are overdue, take out a lien on the computers and foreclose on them.
Hold them until exorbitant taxes, storage and lawyer fees (more than the computer is worth) are paid.
If not paid in a timely fashion, they will be destroyed.
Here’s an idea, lets say you get what you want Mr. Cutesy Ideas guy, what is your plan for when I refuse to comply and then light you on fire?
Someone should sow this fellows’ cornhole shut, thus rendering him unable to speak.
Excuse me, sew.
Indeed.
Us upstanding law-abiding types have a leverageable flaw: we want to follow established process, and adhere to rules, and rationally discuss those processes and laws, and will grudgingly consent to what the majority’s representatives decide.
Except a whole lot are quietly deciding not to.
Exemplified: NY’s SAFE law has a paltry 4% compliance rate for registration. Would-be tyrants take note.
Years ago, I grew tired of telemarketers. Politely talking my way out of the unwanted calls was annoying. Being annoying to the annoying was annoying. Then...I realized I could solve it very easily: hang up. Just withdraw consent to play the games of others.
The Left need beware of the time coming when the Right stops discussing gun control - the time when “consent of the governed” is withdrawn.
Here’s an idea: GFY.
You want my guns - well then, come and get ‘em yourself! But you better bring along a friend with a body bag, and the willingness to drag your worthless, bullet-ridden body off of my property.
Again, GFY!
MOLON LABE!
“Taxation without representation is TREASON!”
You’ll have representation.
Your representatives will be chosen by a persuaded & dependent majority.
And your representatives, reflecting the aggregate will of your district’s residents, will come to tax you into compliance with their will (or, if necessary, your removal from society).
...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
Real original thinker, our Mr. Olson. “The power to tax is the power to destroy.” - Judge Learned Hand. While a scheme this sophomoric scarcely deserves a reply, I’d simply like to point out that there isn’t any room in it to account for the people who simply say “no”, myself among them. And it has been tried before, with marijuana, whose tax stamp was intended to be prohibitively high. That was a little under a century ago and we see just how effective that turned out to be.
“try it and I will shoot you”
They’ve almost gotten to the point where they can’t go much further with their agenda without at least a few acting on the above sentiment.
That’s why they have to disarm us next.
Yep, this has been tried and ruled against. You can’t just do an end-around the Constitution by taxing that crap out of something. These people are idiots. What part of a “right doesn’t require your permission” don’t they understand? If you can do that to the 2nd Amendment you can do it to anything. Moron.
Here’s what going on in WI
AB 366 is a bill passed by the rino legislature in WI that will be used by the left as a template and precedent to require that dealers and individuals maintain a traceable (no cash) registry of customer information.
Failure of individual or dealers to maintain such a financial registry will result in fines and gun confiscation. The registry will be accessible by a government agency via administrative subpoena (a convenient way to bypass a court order).
By making dealers and individual accountable at the state and local level, the totalitarians will be able to track gun sales directly. Even better, those that fail to maintain registries according to the government’s exacting standards, will be drawn into the government’s trap.
We need to say no to cash bans and registries for all purchases. The War on Cash will be used against gun owners; it’s just a matter of time.
Wait, didn’t the author forget that the tax proceeds should be used to fund children’s health care?
‘If we can’t outlaw guns or confiscate them, tax them.
Make it a law to register everyone’s guns and then charge a tax yearly for each one of them.’
The second sentence sets the stage for the first. The first guarantees the seond. Once registered confiscation isnt far behind. What happens if you fail to pay your taxes. I strongly suspect confiscation. Its SO easy to see how taxes would continually climb until only the very wealthy and govt would have them. Isnt this what They wanted all along? I think Ill pass.
“Any tax must have the purpose of raising revenue and not designed to prohibit an activity.”
Legislators need only assert such purpose, not prove it does.
NFA taxes in no way “raise revenue” to any meaningful degree, and were clearly designed to prohibit an activity (to wit, at time of enactment, a >400% tax stifling exercise of the activity, limiting it only to professional “operators” & investors & the most devoted hobbyists).
There’s about a half-dozen people fitting that name & location.
“French fries kill more people than guns. Try the tax scheme on them.”
NY is already applying the concept to soda.
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