Posted on 01/28/2016 6:41:33 PM PST by Ray76
Video of arrest of Bundy, Finicum, et al
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ
Saw the video and here is what I noticed. Out of the car his hands were up/splayed outwards. The points in which his arms come down seem to me to be the actions of a man walking/breaking through deep snow. As soon as he regains balance his arms are back up. When he turns to see the man behind him he seems to break through the snow / stumble and his hands come down to balance himself again. This is when the guy from the woods shoots him point blank.
All in all it looked like a guy exiting the car trying to draw the guns away from the area with the others which included a young girl. Reminded me somewhat of what mama rabbits do.
Didn’t see any charging from him, but if you want to stay alive around cops with guns, you have to keep your hands as high as possible and don’t bring them down no matter what orders you may have heard.
It looks like when he realized there was someone behind him, he starts turning toward the person with the shotgun, and the guy shoots him. Hard to see if he was reaching for anything, or trying to alert them that he was carrying (if he was), or trying to get his balance in the snow. Too far away to see any detail. Further on in the video, while he was laying dead, somebody was playing their lazer over his body for quite a long time. Wouldn’t there be someone at the scene, behind one of those police vehicles, filming the whole thing?
The mans own words. He said when interviewed that he was always armed. He also said when interviewed that he would rather die than go to prison. Others have said he was always armed.
I did not know the man and was not there, but I did see him interviewed and he said that. Other members of the group said it.
The others complied and are still breathing. The one anomaly who said he would die before he went to prison, said he was always armed, and took off in the car and bailed from the vehicle and put his hands down towards his waist was the one that was shot.
Again, people see and think what they want to see just like the protesters at Ferguson.
It sure is.
Mark McConnell posted a video to Facebook Wednesday morning, recounting the Tuesday afternoon scene that led to Finicum's death and the subsequent arrest of eight people involved in the Jan. 2 takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.In his video, McConnell said Ammon Bundy and Cavalier were in the vehicle he was driving to John Day for a community meeting. He said Finicum was driving a pickup that carried Ryan Bundy, Payne, Cox and the 18-year-old woman.
He said as they traveled on U.S. 395 police vehicles pulled in behind them and stopped them. McConnell said he was removed by police first, then Ammon Bundy then Cavalier.
McConnell said he noticed movement, and Finicum "took off" in the pickup with the remaining passengers. He said Payne and Cox described encountering a police roadblock about a mile north on the highway and apparently tried to get around it, becoming stuck in the snow.
"When he exited the vehicle, the rear wheels were still spinning," McConnell said. "He charged at law enforcement" and was shot. (emphasis added)
McConnell disputed earlier accounts on social media that Finicum was shot while on his knees with his hands up.
Probably just another altered Zapgruder type of video..
He almost ran over an officer at 9:18.
Well the story that he was on his knees in the road is pure bunk.
how do you know he was armed from the video?
Wouldnât there be someone at the scene, behind one of those police vehicles, filming the whole thing?
= = =
Right.
This is the best for their case video.
And it is not that great.
I thought he was on his knees with his hands in the air, according to six eye witnesses yesterday?
On the knees in the road is bunk, agree.
It looks to me like the guy ran into the path of the truck.
He was up to his knees in snow. He posed no threat. He was assassinated.
Couldn’t tell if they hit the cop beside the road or not. He got up on his own, but seemed to go down again when he got to the road.
The pictures do seem to match the cops’ story better than it does what the Bundy supporters have been saying.
Victoria Sharp’s account
Sharp also shared her story of what unfolded outside of Burns in a YouTube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y92PvMFL0Eg
In a 12-minute audio-only video on YouTube, Sharp said that after they were stopped by police, Payne was trying to get her and Cox safely out of the car when police took their first shot.
“He put his hands out the window, he was trying to talk with them,” said Sharp, who was raised in Kansas but lists on her Facebook page that she is currently living in Montana.
“Ryan (Payne) said, ‘We have women in the car, let the women out,” she said, “He stuck his head out and they shot at him... but they missed him.”
Sharp said that they began to realize that the police “meant business” and that Finicum, who was driving, yelled that he was going to continue driving so that he could “talk to the sheriff.”
“He drove and we all got down on the floorboards and they just started firing at us, shooting at us a bunch of times,” she said, adding that Finicum reached the roadblock and his truck rammed into a snowbank.
With the car running, she said, Finicum “got out of the car and he had his hands in the air and he was like, ‘Just shoot me then, just shoot me.’”
“And they did,” she said. “They shot him dead.”
Sharp said she thought she heard as many as 100 bullets fired and that those remaining in the car were getting “gassed.” She said they were trying to find something white they could wave out the window.
Sharp said that while some in the car with her had their guns, she believed that none of the occupiers had attempted to use them. She said Ryan Bundy was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as they were ducking down in the car.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/militant_shot_and_killed_while.html
He wasn’t on his knees, but he didn’t come out of the truck with guns ablazin like Butch and Sundance either. We need sound and a closer view to know.
Wow, they shot him in the back.
can anyone estimate his speed during the escape attempt? and how fast the snowbank stopped him. could he have been injured when he drove off the road to avoid the road block? is that determinable by autopsy?
He didn’t drive away from the stop.
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