Go, Cruz!
Back to Canada, where you belong...
Posted on 01/21/2016 7:27:45 PM PST by TBBT
Donald Trump leads the polls nationally and in most states in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. There are understandable reasons for his eminence, and he has shown impressive gut-level skill as a campaigner. But he is not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries. Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones. Trump's political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
The Trump phenomenon is not new. The movement is nothing more than a different version (American) of what happened in Germany in the 1930s. In the American version, the cause is just, the problems real, but the chosen solution, a delusion, and the “hero”, a fanciful graven image hewn out in the imagination of “The True Believers”.
What we are seeing with Trump is a nationalistic populist movement sucking in a lot of good patriotic people. People better figure Trump out pretty quick or we will be in more trouble than we are already in. Trump is no true conservative, but for a few slip-ups that betray him, he could get an Oscar for his performance. This is no more than 1930s and 2008 populism déjà vu in a completely different cloak. Trump is using the modus operandi described in Eric Hoffer’s 1951 book, “The True Believer” - Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements. Trump has found a void and has created a cult following. He is taking legitimate issues and concerns and using them to generate a fanatical mass movement of “True Believers” — intoxicated Trumpaholics, and Trump is their cult leader. There is no way to talk to many of them; their minds have been snatched. Many will not realize the fantasy until it all falls down. History repeats. It is déjà vu all over again.
You are not moored to reality. There are no words. Seek help
“that a lot of the “Cruzers”
Before you start casting stones, you might want to actually read the posts since I was NOT the one insulting first. I also did not cross the line and insult anyone’s spouse directly. That is all coming from Trumpies.
Btw...you have no idea how much I donate since my wife is also a member since 1998 and we’ve donated through her account numerous times. I’m sure other Cruz supporters do the same thing. I’ll even bet that I’ve donated a hell of a lot more than you over the last 18 years.
Maybe you should think before you speak and actually ask questions rather than make stupid assumptions about people here on FR.
This ain't my first rodeo on FR, TXDuke.
“Oh, they’re not “stupid assumptions””
Lets see, if you make an assumption, but you are flat out WRONG then yes, that would be a stupid assumption.
“This ain’t my first rodeo on FR”
If this isn’t your first then you would think you would have learned something by now. Go ahead and start your liberal Trump style class warfare and see how far that gets you.
Go, Cruz!
Back to Canada, where you belong...
Laurence Tribe's view of the Feckless Canadian:
According to Tribe, Cruz applies a double standard to his interpretation of the Constitution, to which he deemed Cruz to be a "constitutional opportunist" and a "hypocrite."
"I've done a lot of historical research on it, and so have a lot of other people, and the best evidence seems to be that what they meant in 1788 was something more than just citizen from birth," he said. "They actually meant a citizen whose birth was sort of natural, not in a biological sense but in the sense of connection to the land. The idea was, that it was something that Congress couldn't change, unlike the naturalization process, which Congress has monkeyed around with all the time. I mean, for example, in 1934, the first time it said, you can be a citizen who doesn't need to get naturalized as long as your mom was an American citizen. And that's ultimately the basis on which Cruz has to rely. The funny thing is, that the kind of guy Cruz is, he's always been this way. When he was my student he was this way. He's always said the Constitution always means the same thing that it meant when it was adopted. That's why he made this funny joke to Trump, you know, saying, the Constitution didn't change since last September. Well, he thinks it didn't change since 1788 when it comes to gays and, you know, women and other things. But when it comes to his own ambition, he's suddenly becomes what he accuses me of being, and it's a pretty true accusation, a judicial activist. That's not the guy he is normally."
"He's being a constitutional opportunist, a hypocrite," Tribe continued. "It's sad, because he makes light of it, but it is a genuine open question, and there's no way of getting around it.
Maybe Cruz can issue a commemorative Janus coin in honor of his candidacy...
“You must be one of the “Cruzers”:”
You must be another typical Trump supporter that has to resort to mocking and name calling because you can’t debate the FACTS about Trump’s liberal policies.
“Laurence Tribe’s view of the Feckless Canadian:”
Again, you are a typical liberal Trump supporter because you resort to name calling then use an OPINION piece to support your position.
In that case, ever hear of the conservative National Review? They don’t think fondly of Trump and his liberal agenda either. Apparently, the only people that actually like Trump are the liberal GOPe and liberal democrats. Coincidence? I think NOT!
“constitutional opportunist”
Since you are another Trumpie that claims to be a Constitutional scholar, PLEASE show me anywhere in the Constitution where the definition of ‘natural born’ is defined. Or better yet, show me ANY SCOTUS or even Appeals Court ruling that defines it. Since you can’t because neither exists then ANY claim you have against Cruz’s eligibility is nothing more than your unsupported OPINION!
Now, you can choose to be a Cruz supporter, or you can choose to be a "Cruzer" - one of the deadbeat drunken frat boys trashing the furniture on the forum, scaring the regular posters and the womenfolk.
Make your declaration, and I'll treat you as you choose.
There's A LOT more like the above - I've just chosen to leave Ted Cruz alone until now, because I like(d) him. Your people's attitude will determine how it goes.
Us "Trumpkins" can tone down our own people.
You have to get your drunken louts in hand.
Check my post #190, and make your declaration.
Cruz supporter, or "Cruzer"?
“I’m a typical Trump supporter who had Cruz”
I really don’t care who you vote for. That is your business. I will NEVER vote for Trump under any circumstance.
“Now, you can choose to be a Cruz supporter”
As you stated, that cuts both ways. Trumpies are the only ones that I’ve seen get vile with the personal attacks on individual FReepers and the only ones that are demanding that we either support Trump or stop posting (I can show you the posts). I’ve even had one personally attack my wife for no reason other than to be rude and hateful (Puny...the guy you started defending originally). Even your first, unsolicited post to me was a direct personal attack on me and had NOTHING to do with political issues at hand.
Cruz supporters have every right to criticize and vet Trump’s policies and history, especially since Trumpies won’t do it. I prefer to debate on those policies and issues and I’m tired of the childish insults and name calling, which from what I’ve seen, is usually started by a Trumpie as soon as anyone dare criticizes Trump.
I have yet to see a Cruz supporter start the personal insults, but maybe I’ve just been on the wrong threads. If you want to support Trump then just OWN his faults rather personally attack people for criticizing Trump for those faults.
“Cruz supporter, or “Cruzer”?”
Keep in mind, I did NOT post to you or solicit your opinion in any way. However, you somehow felt the need to PERSONALLY attack me with your first, unsolicited post. So you have little room to accuse ANYONE of being a “Cruz supporter, or ‘Cruzer’”. Why do Trumpies think is it ok to initiate personal insults and attacks, but then demand Cruz supporters not respond??
Are your a Trumpie or a Trump Supporter? Is there actually a difference since most like to hurl personal attacks rather than acknowledge the issues??
I've never seen any Trumpkin DEMAND that anyone support Trump. The threads are being carpet-bombed by "Cruzers" [NOT Cruz supporters] who post the same thing, over and over and over.
I believe that some of it is organized.
I prefer to debate on those policies and issues...
There is NO debate in here any longer. I think the Trump supporters have got the point of the Cruz supporters about Trump's flaws- but the "Cruzers" continue on a screaming rampage to shout everybody down.
No one is LEARNING anything. And I think some people LIKE IT that way.
Are you getting my drift?
Now, JR called for calm the other day. I got on the forum the next day, and the usual "Cruzer" screamers were doing the same old thing. And they were also trashing Sarah Palin.
Now, I notice that while you were disappointed with Palin's endorsement of Trump, you had enough class not to trash her. Your wife probably taught you well how to respect women. :)
There were "others" who were not so classy.
BTW - I saw your exchange with the poster you mentioned. I'll have to examine it more closely, but I know the one. You might be right - there's "loose cannonage" there.
In closing on these particular thoughts, I think that reasonable people on both sides need to restrain some of their OWN - by mentioning, perhaps, that a particular poster has posted that same thought for the 60th time, and it's not helpful.
Allow me to give you an example of the type of restraint I'm talking about:
VANITY - Attended the Ted Cruz 'Meet and Greet" - Lindy's Diner, Keene, NH (Jan18, 2016)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3385361/posts
Note my posts at #7, #11, #12, #31, #32, #35, #39, #43 and #44.
BTW - that thread in the last post to you was on MONDAY - before JR called for calm.
And when I was a Cruz supporter (after Trump, of course)...
“I’ve never seen any Trumpkin DEMAND that anyone support Trump”
Then you haven’t been around much... Here is PROOF...
nopardons to TXDuke
“Stay home and DON’T post here either !”
“The threads are being carpet-bombed by “Cruzers””
But you have NO problem with 4 to 6 different articles being posted that say Trump is ahead in Iowa or the same post questing Cruz’s eligibility despite the FACT that the issue is not defined and never been addressed by the courts. That just shows the hypocrisy among the Trump supporters.
“I believe that some of it is organized.”
That is just the tin foil talking. LOL FR did a poll the other day and more FReepers supported Cruz over Trump by nearly a 2 to 1 margin. That is why you see so many Cruz posts, but the same 15 Trump supporters flaming everyone. So basically, Trump supporters are alienating 2/3 of the FR crowd.
“Cruzers”
Maybe if Trump supporters want to be taken seriously then they should try be a little more respectful. You don’t have to like if someone posts the same thing over and over. You’re not the post police. They have a right to post as much as they want. Until Trump supporters stop doing it then they have little room to demand Cruz supporters stop.
“No one is LEARNING anything”
That is because anytime somebody brings up a valid point against Trump, the Trump supporters attempt to flame them with name calling and juvenile behavior rather than debate the topics. They use bully tactics, hoping the Cruz supporter won’t respond and if the Cruz supporter does respond, then all hell breaks lose with the personal insults and attacks.
” I notice that while you were disappointed with Palin’s endorsement”
I have never commented on Palin’s endorsement and really don’t care who she endorses. Unlike Trump supporters, I’m not a follower so her endorsement does NOT influence my decision. I do think her choice is poor, which I have a right to think, but it still doesn’t change my mind.
“You might be right - there’s “loose cannonage” there.”
I think some of those lose cannons are the major problem.
I don’t have a problem with people posting their opinions over and over. That is their choice and although annoying, that does not give anyone the right to start personal attacks against the person. I DO have a problem with people stating blatant lies over and over though. I also have a problem with PERSONAL attacks against FReepers just because someone doesn’t like what they posted. Attacks on policies should be the ONLY acceptable ‘attack’.
So when lurkers and readers come here to gage what real conservatives are thinking, they will instead see what tyrannical control-freak Republicans are thinking while claiming to be conservative.
In 2012, masses of people here warned folks that if Romney got the R nomination, they would spurn him in the general because only a fool votes for a functional leftist Democrat regardless of party. FR hated hearing it so much that it censored such conservatives, they left, FR then was comfortable "knowing" that most would vote for Romney ... and instead, the balance did exactly what they tried to warn folks on FR they would do: spurn him. And Romney lost.
So all that was accomplished, was people who might otherwise have been able to see Romney's loss coming via FR, instead were blindsided by it because they thought FR represented a full spectrum of conservatives, when FR had instead been whittled down to a small spectrum of conservatives who believed in voting "against."
Can’t say I am sorry!! Glad to see them go!!!
Give me a break. There’s a big difference in this election.
I love both Cruz and Trump, and will support and vote for whichever of the two gets the nomination. I prefer the more conservative Cruz in the primary but will be happy to vote for Trump in the general if he gets there without even holding mt nose.
Why? Because if he’s the nominee, he’s the grassroots nominee. He’s not being forced on us by Tokyo Rove or the big PACs or the GOPe or even the GOP. They all hate him. They’ll probably come along if he becomes inevitable, but it’ll be out of fear for their own jobs, not because they like him.
If Trump gets the nomination, it will be due to the grassroots and will be in spite of the establishment GOP.
And I will support him to the hilt in that case just like I would Cruz.
I’d crawl on my knees (if I had any) over broken glass to keep another communist out of the White House.
Those who can’t live with that may want to take a sabbatical from FR. I’m certainly not in any mood to give much leeway to people who refuse to fight the good fight against a communist takeover.
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