Posted on 01/18/2016 5:57:15 PM PST by Enlightened1
For all the arguments that went on for years on this web site, talk radio and many other sites about Obama's eligibility.... If Cruz is eligible because his mom was a U.S. Citizen, then so is Obama because his mom was a U.S. Citizen.... Just saying!
Hawaii most certainly did NOT issue a PDF file with multiple layers easily detect pec by more than one digital analyst. Those layers were found where fields like names and were in the document.
No one has publicly acknowledged having seen the original paper document.
Yep
Goose...Gander
Cruz is counting on the lib judges.
Really?
You don’t think Dems might be a little shy of birther issues while Obama would still be in office? A trial on this matter begets a discovery phase. Discovery allows for compelling evidence to support your case via precident instances.
Cruz would be within his rights to subpoena Obama’s records. Even if Cruz was blocked, ithe attempt would put Obsms legitimacy on the front page with Cruz’s.
Couple that with the growing dissatisfaction with Obama’s signature law, it could be quite a hornets’ nest for the Dems.
The governor said they did.
Obsms Harvard Law Review bio also listed him as Kenyan born.
The rule at the time of Obama’s birth was 5 years after age 14. Stanley Ann was born in November and Obama was born in August, so she was 18 years and 9 months at the time of his birth. That makes her clearly ineligible to convey citizenship on Obama, regardless of her place of birth.
Can you site a reference? I remember the governor issuing a vague statement, but it was notably lacking “personally seen actual official document”
Your post is BS. I was born to American parents while they lived (temporarily) in a foreign country.
I am an AMERICAN.
Who has argued this approach to the term other than you? I know of two definitions Natural Born and Naturalized, I have not seen your not Natural Born if established by legislation.
What court has this definition been argued in and accepted as settled law?
FALSE. The law in 1961 was that Obama’s mother could transmit citizenship only if she had lived in the U.S. four years after her 14th birthday. She was not quite 18 when Barry was born.
Since there is no evidence that Barry was born in the U.S., there is no evidence that he is even an ANCHOR BABY. I.e., there is no evidence that Barry is not an illegal alien.
If Barry WAS born in Hawaii, as his crudely-forged “birst certificate says, he is ONLY an Anchor Baby.
Absolute nonsense. That would make "natural born" mean "anchor baby."
The reason for the forged birth certificate is that without it, there isn’t a shred of evidence that Barry is a citizen AT ALL.
There are only two possibilities:
The crudely-forged birth certificate is truthful in stating that Barry was born in Hawaii, in which case he is an ANCHOR BABY.
Barry was not born on U.S. soil, and is therefore an ILLEGAL ALIEN.
You are a fount of misinformation. Barry was born in 1961, not 1962, and his mother was 18.
I remember that well.
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/AnnaDunhamsAge.htm
The U.S. Law in effect during Mr. Obama's birth stated if you are born abroad to one U.S. parent and a foreign national, the U.S. parent must have resided in the United States for ten (10) years, five (5) of which were after the age of Fourteen (14) in order to register the child's birth abroad in the United States as a "natural born" U.S. citizen, under the Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952, United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava, 281 F.3d 501 (2002), Drozd v. I.N.S., 155 F.3d 81, 85-88 (2d Cir.1998), United States v. Gomez-Orozco, 188 F.3d 422, 426-27 (7th Cir. 1999), Scales v. Immigration and Naturalization Service 232 F.3d 1159 (9th Cir. 2000), Solis-Espinoza v. Gonzales 401 F.3d 1090 (9th Cir. 2005).
Under the Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952, is the law that applies to a birth abroad and is in effect at the time of birth, MarquezMarquez a/k/a Moreno v. Gonzales 455 F. 3d 548 (5th Cir. 2006), Runnett v. Shultz, 901 F.2d 782, 783 (9th Cir.1990) (holding that "the applicable law for transmitting citizenship to a child born abroad when one parent is a U.S. citizen is the statute that was in effect at the time of the child's birth").
Stanley Ann Dunham, Mr. Barry Soetoro's mother, was only 18 when she gave birth to Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. She was not old enough to register Obama's birth in Hawaii or anywhere else as a United States "natural born" citizen as she did not meet the residency requirements pursuant to our United States Laws; as such it does not matter that this is a minor technicality, the law is applied regardless - see United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava, 281 F.3d 501 (2002), Drozd v. I.N.S., 155 F.3d 81, 85-88 (2d Cir.1998).
“Who has argued this approach to the term other than you? I know of two definitions Natural Born and Naturalized, I have not seen your not Natural Born if established by legislation.
What court has this definition been argued in and accepted as settled law?”
You are being too ambiguous and self contradicting to make any sense. The legal terms are centuries old in their definitions and their usage in law.
Do you know that? Link? Source?
I’ve seen sites that mistakenly claim that a 1991 promotional piece with Obama’s bio is from the Harvard Law Review, but it’s not. Breitbart published it here:
“His claim is more than a claim because the state has accepted his claim and issued him a birth certificate. So it matters not whether he was actually born in Hawaii or born in Kenya. Remember how in the Wizard of Oz how the Scarecrow wished he had a brain and the Wizard gave him a diploma?”
That is another false statement.
First, the different alleged Hawaiian birth certificates supplied to the public are all very badly done forgeries.
Second, even if one of those forgeries had been a real birth certificate, it lacked the state’s endorsement required to certify the authenticity of the birth event. As the document appeared when presented to the public, it was nothing more than a form submitted by the grandmother for the benefit of the grandson and daughter in which the delayed report of the birth is claimed without the required affirmation to certify the birth event and details of the birth event were genuine. Had there been such a form filed, it would have resulted in the production of a birth certificate record with the status of being unconfirmed.
Third, whether the alleged birth certificate had been certified as a genuine account of the birth events or not, any birth certificate is prima facie evidence of the birth, except when new evidence in a court of law treats the document as a rebuttable presumption of the birth. Particularly when the document is absent proper certification of the birth event, the document’s authenticity is rebuttable in a court of law. If and when the document is evidenced to be a forgery, it is impeached as evidence of a birth.
In 2008, Jack Cashill implied the most likely place of Obama’s birth was in Canada. Obama’s mother’s aunt lived just across Canadian border. The aunt lived near a private home for unwed mothers. That would have solved the issue of travel between HI and Washington state.
Stanley Ann was seen in Portland with a very young baby, soon after she gave birth. Soon enough she did not know how to change him.
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