Posted on 01/08/2016 9:57:21 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
On Ted Cruz's eligibility, if he's the great advocate of the Constitution that he purports to be, I don't see why he doesn't agree to the public release of his immigration and naturalization file. Yes, he absolutely has to have an immigration file. We know for a fact that he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate, and without that, the only way to legally live and work in the United States is via the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
If it's true that he acquired U.S. citizenship at birth through his mother, then the file would consist of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA). http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html.
If such a document is in fact on file with the Statement Department, then we can at least say that he was a citizen at birth.
But no, that does not close the case. While there's certainly a good argument that "natural born citizen" means "citizen at birth", there are other arguments to the effect that if the purpose of the NBC clause was to prevent a President with divided loyalties, dual citizenship and natural born citizenship would be mutually exclusive categories, and it's not questioned that Cruz was a dual citizen until a bit more than two years ago.
I'd also like to say that for some of us, this issue as it related to Obama and now Cruz is far from just some wacky irrelevant technicality: the basic problem that America faces IMHO is the fact that we have traitors who have infested the highest levels of our government. Maybe not literal traitors actively fighting on the battlefield with our enemies, but traitors in the sense of people who place the interests of non-Americans above the interests of Americans; they don't place our security above our "international obligations", they don't defend our borders, they prioritize the needs of illegal aliens over those of American citizens, they sign international trade deals that decimate American industry, and on and on.
As it happens the Founders of our great nation were also quite concerned about this, having just fought a war for their independence not only against the British Crown, but also against the "Loyalists" who remained loyal to it following the Declaration of Independence. In yet another of their incredibly brilliant and prescient moves in crafting the Constitution, they embedded within it a clause that would (hopefully) ensure that at the highest level of our government, we would exclude those who might have divided loyalties, and even more IMHO, people who in the back of their minds might know that they would always have an "escape hatch" to avoid accountability to the American people by virtue of a latent claim to citizenship in a foreign country.
Yes, ultimately, a socialist traitor can come from anywhere, as can a constitutional conservative, but I don't see anything wrong with maintaining this one small measure of additional insurance against exactly the sort of traitorous, anti-American behavior and ideology that has been the hallmark of the Obama Administration.
So the question becomes,
for —anyone— born in canada in that time frame, under the same circumstances
(parents married, one a US citizen, one not, mom 19 or older when gave birth)
what were the effects of not having a US birth cert?
And for not having the Record of birth abroad recorded at the US consulate?
If the parent didn’t have it recorded the year the child was born, could they file it later, when they found out they needed it?
In my previous reply, the “19 or older” is for the case of mom being the US citizen.
I think if its the dad who is the US citizen, there may just be the requirement to file the birth abroad with the consulate.
In 1970 it was “in the US ten years, five after the age of 14”, and, given the timeline for cruz’ mom, she most likely was old enough to convey US citizenship to Ted.
Question is, did she file with the consulate when Ted was born and if not, would she be able do it later on.
I am glad to know that there —is— a process in place to get the consular report by a lady in similar circumstances
(US citizen 19 years old or older, married to a green card US legal resident, they had lived in canada for four years when child born there)
if she didn’t file with the consulate the year her child was born.
Or for Ted to get it.
And the fact that Ted did the paperwork to renounce his Canadian citizenship means that he was able to prove that he had US citizenship also, and be able to choose between them.
Cruz’ parents were there only four years when Cruz was born.
They had to be there for five, in order to apply for Canadian citizenship .
The citizenship change for Ted’s folks would have been after he was born; they needed to have been there for 5 years, but had only been there 4 when he was born.
Effects: none unless you are fever-brained trump partisan. None of the concerns you list are relevant in any way.
And we do have his and his mom’s birth cert
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/08/ted-cruz-mother-birth-certificate/
(I’ve seen Teds birth cert posted here; can’t find it at the moment so will add to this reply when I find it)
Gathering up the other points of info related to this, so its in one place...
Dad a resident of the US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3380307/posts?page=61#61
Cruz parents not in Canada long enough to become citizens before Cruz born:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3381497/posts?page=1#1
About that “elector list”; its a census list, not a voter list
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3381497/posts?page=52#52
And here’s where the govt dept says how one can get the equivalent of the report of birth abroad
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3381497/posts?page=102#102
I don't know. why don't you e-mail the campaign and ask them to put it on their web sight.
John Valentine wrote:
“Effects: none unless you are fever-brained trump partisan. None of the concerns you list are relevant in any way.”
I agree, no effect whatsoever, since there is a way of filing for proof of US citizenship later on.
Being that Cruz took care of things, and renounced Canadian citizenship, that settles it
(plus his mom’s birth cert and his birth cert show how old she was when he was born.
Also, here’s the canadian rules on how long you have to live there before getting citizenship http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3381497/posts?page=196#196
she needed to be there 4 years)
Meanwhile, Cruz’ mother’s birth certificate has been released and she was born an American citizen. Congratulations on proving you are nothing more than a kook.
Nobody questions that she was born a U.S. citizen. The question is whether or not she ever became a Canadian citizen, given that the process of becoming a Canadian citizen at the time required renunciation of all other citizenships.
LOL. This is the most retarded debate in history.
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