Posted on 12/31/2015 5:54:01 PM PST by Kaslin
That’s odd. What could Democrats possibly see in a lifelong true conservative like Donald Trump?
There’s something for everyone in Nate Cohn’s new post. If you’re a Trump fan, here’s the smoking gun that he really is a new Reagan, the guy who’s going to broaden the tent and sweep to victory in November by bringing centrist Democrats into the GOP. If you’re a Trump critic, here’s further proof that he’s the RINO of RINOs, a man who’s blended nationalism, center-left economics, and Jacksonian foreign policy into something that tastes better to members of the other party than it does to conservatives. That sounds a lot like Perotism, frankly — except, according to the (Democratic) pollster who provided Cohn with data, Trump’s geographic support is the opposite of Perot’s. Perot did best in the west and in New England. Trump cleans up in the south, up through Appalachia, and into the industrial northeastern states like New York. How do you explain that?
Cohn’s theory, comparing Trump’s map of support to a map of “racially charged Internet searches,” is that prejudice is driving some of his votes. There was nothing comparable in Perot’s campaign to Trump inveighing against rapists from Mexico and calling for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States. (There’s no disputing that Trump is the favored candidate of the white nationalists of the “alt-right.”) On the other hand, how many Trump voters in economically distressed industrial areas in the eastern U.S. like Trump’s immigration rhetoric because they “hate” Mexicans and how many simply want less competition from foreign labor in the name of bringing back jobs to America? According to Cohn, Trump’s best state is West Virginia; West Virginia also happens to be the only state in the U.S. where (as of March of this year) less than half of the adult civilian population is employed. Being a protectionist doesn’t make you a racist. Either way, though, this part is certainly true — and important to the future of the GOP:
In many of these areas, a large number of traditionally Democratic voters have long supported Republicans in presidential elections. Even now, Democrats have more registered voters than Republicans do in states like West Virginia and Kentucky, which have been easily carried by Republicans in every presidential contest of this century. As recently as a few years ago, Democrats still had a big advantage in partisan self-identification in the same states.
But during the Obama era, many of these voters have abandoned the Democrats. Many Democrats may now even identify as Republicans, or as independents who lean Republican, when asked by pollsters a choice that means they're included in a national Republican primary survey, whether they remain registered as Democrats or not.
Conn Carroll put it this way:
I think a big part of what explains Trump is the natural growing pains of the GOP assimilating big govt whites leaving the Dem Party.
— Conn Carroll (@conncarroll) December 31, 2015
Right. The GOP is gradually becoming older and whiter due to white Democrats crossing the aisle for various reasons — contempt for some Democratic welfare programs, disagreement with progressives on cultural flashpoints like gay marriage, righteous disgust for the left’s insistence on open borders, racial anxiety, and so forth. On “values” issues, that influx of culturally conservative Dems will help entrench the GOP (for a while, at least) as a socially right-wing party despite more centrist tendencies among younger Republicans. Economically, though, it seems likely to do the opposite: Trump’s gone a long, long way this year preaching protectionism and zealous defense of entitlements, and as the Democratic constituency within the GOP grows, other Republican pols will feel pressure to follow suit. The Reagan revolution was about convincing centrist Dems to try smaller government and deregulation; the Trump revolution is about convincing them that big government will work for them with Donald Trump in charge. A populist would say that that’s really no different than what we have now, with GOP candidates preaching Reaganism to get elected and then practicing Trumpism once in office — except it’s Trumpism for the donor class, not for blue-collar voters. Reaganism remains the party’s ideological guiding star, though, at least for the moment. If Trump has a long run this year thanks to centrist Democrats coming out to vote for him in Republican primaries, does that change? How do you build a conservative party if a significant chunk of it is Democratic? Or do we no longer care about conservatism so long as we’ve got nationalism?
That’s the long-term problem. The short-term problem is one for Trump: How do you get these Democratic voters re-registered as Republicans and out to the polls in February? And if you’re Ted Cruz, how do you maintain your position as their second choice when you’re running as the staunchest conservative in the field? Maybe continuing to attack the “Washington cartel” without emphasizing too heavily how right-wing you are is enough. I’d be curious to see how Trump fans shake out, though, in a hypothetical match-up between Cruz and, say, Chris Christie after a month or two of Christie selling his own brand of alpha-male centrism on the trail beyond New Hampshire. If you want a guy who knows how to pander to Democratic voters and ostentatiously doesn’t care how boorish people find him, there’s an obvious choice. And it ain’t Ted Cruz.
Exit question: Is Trump’s Democratic support being oversold by Cohn? Look back at the numbers at the top. Even among registered Republicans, he’s just a hair shy of 30 percent support, enough to lead the field. Is that because a bunch of former Democrats have already re-registered as Republicans over the last 10 years and are responding to Trump? Or is Trump appealing in some ways even to longtime righties?
Maybe it’s because the Dem voters like Trump’s recent history on liberalism, as well as they like his other stands on immigration, etc..
I did.
And so did my entire family and nearly every other hillbilly in my area.
Then we all switched to R.
I was originally a big Cruz supporter. I still am...and I think his policies are what this country needs. But Trump is a street fighter. He will attack Hillary and the MSM the way that Cruz would not.
I see Trump as paving the way for a Cruz Presidency.
This is why they should run as a team - Trump/Cruz.
If you have not seen the movie, The Big Short. It does a great job of showing exactly how and who got us into the Great Recession.
Tell me, what did that get the country?
Not having Al Gore as president on 9/11. Sometimes you have to vote for the best alternative, rather than allowing the worst alternative to win. In my 62 years, I have rarely been able to vote for someone who really excited me.
I will vote for Trump, if he gets the nomination, even though I realize he is not a Conservative (he is conservative on a few issues, but has never demonstrated that by his actions or donations).
ALLAHPUNDIT is 100% against Trump and has started making up data or making up what data means to trash Trump.
When ALLAHPUNDIT proves he's donating lots to Cruz's campaign, I might take some of his words as believable....
I'd not dismiss this!
ALL Dems cannot be well satisfied with the way things have gone!
On the web; no one knows you're a dog.
Yep, that Cruz is BFF with someone like Beck speaks volumes.
A Reagan Democrat is a traditionally Democratic voter in the United States, especially a white working-class Northerner, who defected from their party to support Republican President Ronald Reagan in either or both the 1980 and 1984 elections...
History repeating itself?
talking to a group of people last night who said that they would love to have Cruz, but cannot see him beating Clinton unlike Trump.
By next November, even the Muslim Americans will be voting Trump. Trump in a landslide! Go Trump, this is your year! As the Black Swan said, “It’s my turn now!”
What is interesting about 1980 is that Reagan didn’t win the Iowa Caucus, GHW Bush won Iowa in the primary by 2%. Reagan pretty much swept the floor everywhere else with exception to one or two states in the primaries. After Bush dropped out of the race, Reagan chose him as his VP.
I think the gop made Reagan pick bush. Big mistake.
Why not just vote your local election, don’t forget we have every US Rep up for re-election and 1/3rd of the Senate. Plus state stuff. Might have important constitutional issues on the ballot you object to or approve of. You can just write in Micky Mouse for President if you choose. But do exercise your right to vote.
I didn’t want Romney, but was not going to sit home and not try and vote out my RINO state rep. Or my US RINO Senator Lamar Alexander. Didn’t do any good, but at least I tried.
Trump defends Planned Parenthood
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/250936-trump-defends-planned-parenthood
As we all know the only services PP provides is BC and Abortions, no other women’s health care. They tell them to see a OB/GYN for that.
I wouldn’t doubt if the GOP did. However, Trump wouldn’t cave to the pressure of the GOP and pick an establishment loser as his running mate.
>>How many times do I have to say it...Conservatives that are twitterpated with him are like the 19 year old kid that falls for a beautiful pole dancer and wants to marry her.
How many times do you feel the need to say it? Perhaps there are some who are “twitterpated” (is that anything like infatuated or is it just some dumb Millennial term?) with Trump, but all the Conservatives I know chose him after listening and READING his books.
You act like he’s Lindsay Lohan who suddenly discovered Conservatism, made a YouTube video, and now we’re all voting for her. His history of speaking in a way that permits liars to put together some great soundbites is nothing like what he has written in his books where you can read things IN CONTEXT.
They were also GOP primary supporters of John McCain and Ron Paul.
For me it’s Trump #1, Cruz #2. Anyone else and I’ll sit the election out.
Either one or the other... Hopefully President Trump will put Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court first chance he gets...
Reagan got all kinds of voters to support him; Dem Republican and independents.
Because people wanted someone elected who can get things done; and skate past the traps of the career politicians and bureaucrats.
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