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Governor Christie: We Are All Still Slaves
NJ2AS ^ | 12/22/15 | Alexander Roubian

Posted on 12/25/2015 5:25:34 AM PST by andrewinhd

Governor Christie: We Are All Still Slaves

Following the death of Carol Bowne, a report detailing the recommendations of a special commission convened by Governor Christie has been released regarding Second Amendment issues in New Jersey. In this report, the direct activism of NJ2AS volunteers in various New Jersey police departments was cited. As stated before, the NJ2AS will no longer chase government for answers in hearings or meetings, or participate in senseless protests or petitions - we will only engage in direct, damning activism that captures the tyranny of our state and FORCES a response FROM government TO us. Unfortunately, the report itself is little more than a campaign distraction with very little substance.

The NJ2AS is appalled and dumbfounded at the fact that any true supporters of the Second Amendment are reacting to this recent report with celebration. If anything, New Jerseyans looking to protect their right to bear arms should be infuriated with the continued deception from our state government and all of its representatives, especially Governor Christie.

This commission has in no way increased the right to carry, or in any tangible way improved the turn-around times for permits. In fact, it has potentially enshrined "justifiable need" forever in the Garden State, which should shake our supporters to the bone. It appears supposed champions of our cause neglected to even read portions of the commission report detailing this information- like this excerpt from page 22:

We conclude by noting that Wheeler itself appears to suggest that our proposed regulatory change should make it more likely that the justifiable need standard will survive future constitutional challenges. By emphasizing that an applicant need only "show an objective reason...other than a generalized concern about becoming a crime victim to anticipate an attack necessitating the defensive use of a handgun," the Wheeler court standard allows for the sort of meaningful self-protection by a law-abiding applicant that we believe will be necessary (at a minimum) for our handgun permitting laws to survive constitutional scrutiny. Maintaining the Administrative Code's present misreading of Siccardi and Preis that an applicant must demonstrate a "specific threat" in order to obtain a carry permit seems likely to result eventually in a successful constitutional challenge to the justifiable need standard

The commission is openly admitting that these changes will actually allow the state to PRESERVE the discriminatory justifiable need clause in the Garden State while strengthening it from future challenge in the courts, The status quo where law enforcement and judges continue to wantonly deny applicants in no way will change.

Furthermore, the report makes vague references to making "uniform" practice of firearm permitting across townships, while in no way detailing any CONSEQUENCES for law enforcement for failing to do so. There is no incentive or punishment whatsoever for police chiefs or detectives to suddenly start complying with our already absurd 30 day time frame for permits.

Until police chiefs can be punished or lose their jobs for failing to comply with the law, none of the drivel in this report matters. Citizens do not have the deep pockets to constantly sue their municipal government for failing to uphold their rights - nor should New Jersey become a place where only lawsuits insure your rights. The fact of the matter is, unless a very prescribed and specific PUNISHMENT for law enforcement that fails to comply with the firearms permitting laws is defined (or a default approval after the allotted time frame), this report will not be worth the paper it's printed on. That is why the NJ2AS continues to contend there should be NO permitting process for purchasing, as background checks are already redundantly performed at the point of sale. Involving government in the process only stands to ensure further delays, indifference, and misconduct.

Jersey City was sued for delaying firearms permits and requiring additional forms to Michael McGovern. Michael McGovern won his lawsuit for the unnecessary delay. Immediately after this decision, countless other individuals in Jersey City reported their permits were also being delayed and requiring additional forms without explanation. Till this day we still receive many complains for the former mentioned. The city took the position of "you can sue us too" in regards to conforming with the law. They do not care; they are not held accountable, even when judges decide they are guilty of misconduct. Only a fool will read this report and think it in any way will materially change the conduct of the law enforcement officers currently abusing our convoluted permitting system. The government of New Jersey is all powerful, never accountable, and already disobeys the law as written. If they will continue to wield power over deciding who gets to exercise their rights, who could possibly believe these vague conclusions in the report will materially result in substantive change?

Lastly, it is shocking that Governor Christie has recently admitted on the record that he can't reinterpret "justifiable need" by executive order (https://youtu.be/yspiBXm9DwI), but suddenly, this very report clearly calls for a reinterpretation of the Administrative Code to a very small and minute degree. How is it that the Governor can justify reinterpreting "justifiable need" a little bit, but not to include self-defense? Is some change OK, but not too much? How much change exactly is he capable of affecting? How can he throw his hands up and imply he is powerless to make change to ensure all New Jereyans rights, but can make a change to ensure a small handful of citizen's rights due to the shuffling of a few trifling words? This pandering does not fool us - we know that carry will continue to be relegated to the same friends and family of law enforcement, the legislature, and judges - statistically to less than 0.02% of the state population which includes retired police officers.

It is hard to call the recommendation of this report "changes" to current law. New Jersey still basically boils down to this simple fact: some lives are worth protecting (politicians, law enforcement, and judges) and other are expendable (everyone else). This is the preeminent civil rights issue in the Garden State. Until every citizen is afforded the right to protect themselves inside and outside their homes the same way our politicians and governor enjoy, there is no justice.

Sincerely, Alexander Roubian NJ2AS President


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: carry; ccwnj; conceal
Governor Christie is still trying to pretend he is pro-2A
1 posted on 12/25/2015 5:25:34 AM PST by andrewinhd
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To: andrewinhd

Whoa, the BLM peeps are going cry “co-opt”.


2 posted on 12/25/2015 5:26:48 AM PST by o_1_2_3__ ( –)
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To: andrewinhd

Everyone except Fat Mikey Moore. He B a Muslim.


3 posted on 12/25/2015 5:29:00 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The biggest liars in the liberal media have started referring to themselves as fact checkers. Sad.)
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To: andrewinhd

We are All still slaves?

Yikes.

I guess he wants his speeches interrupted by the Bureau of Land Management.


4 posted on 12/25/2015 5:30:34 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I had student debt. It came from a bank. Not from the Govt.)
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To: andrewinhd
And Maine's governor, Paul LePage want to inflict this guy on the nation.

Is there any more proof needed that the scum in office are looking out for their own interest, power and money than when we look at who they endorse?

http://www.mainetv.net/snake.htm

5 posted on 12/25/2015 5:32:08 AM PST by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: andrewinhd

The remaining small number of self supporting taxpayers are America’s new slave population.

All the “free” stuff and handouts that go to the moochers, GibsMeDats, liberal organizations and colleges, wealthy democrats, muslim countries and others isn’t “free” to those who pay for it.


6 posted on 12/25/2015 5:33:33 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: andrewinhd

I think he’s proving himself to be A pri&k!

Words have meaning. What part of “Shall not be infringed” does he not understand?


7 posted on 12/25/2015 5:36:06 AM PST by basil ( God bless the USA! AMEN!)
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To: andrewinhd

In New Jersey, Christie is referred to as the “Tea Party” candidate by the local media and liberal groups


8 posted on 12/25/2015 5:38:41 AM PST by arl295
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To: andrewinhd

The government reserves the RKBA to itself and its’ families but denies it to everyone else. Because they know they are robbing the people blind and if the people ever figured it out they would rise up and hang the bastards from the nearest strong tree.

Furthermore, I thought the idea of “executive orders” were to do exactly what is needed...to direct and guide the government in place on how to interpret statutes. I guess Christie either doesn’t get it or purposefully obfuscates. In either case. he is unfit for higher office. NJ probably deserves him.


9 posted on 12/25/2015 5:40:00 AM PST by ez (Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is... - Milton)
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To: andrewinhd
Krispy Kreme looks into that camera at every debate and without so much as blinking talks up the Second Amendment with a straight face but in reality toes the line for statism with every ounce of his massively obese frame.

Additionally he doesn't think FedGov alphabet agencies have stolen enough liberty and privacy from American citizens and cries for more, more, more to be relinquished to the federal behemoth.

Big Brother is now a big fat SOB.

10 posted on 12/25/2015 5:49:34 AM PST by Democratic-Republican
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To: andrewinhd

Please, to all who can read: I’ve lived in NJ all of my life. I refer to it as “The People’s Republik of New Jersey”, a place where constitutional rights are a mythical concept, not a reality. DON’T vote for Christie - he says whatever is needed to win an audience - another GOPe.


11 posted on 12/25/2015 5:54:59 AM PST by majormaturity
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To: andrewinhd

Christie the Hutt is no 2nd Amendment ally.


12 posted on 12/25/2015 7:53:06 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: andrewinhd

Fat ass Lou Costello-look-a-like f’ing RINO. Do not elect this guy!


13 posted on 12/25/2015 8:02:58 AM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: andrewinhd

I am old time NJ. My families roots in the state go back to the Revolution. As fate would have it I made my way to Pennsylvania in 2004 and have not looked back.

In 1990 I applied for my NJ Firearms Identification Card because I wanted to buy a shotgun. It took the local police 4 months to determine that I could exercise my 2nd amendment rights. A few years later in 1997 I decided to buy a handgun. This time it took 6 months, three sets of fingerprints and $48.00 to get the state to allow me to exercise my God given rights.

Today I have a PA CCW. Nice, but since I work in NJ it’s not much use to me. Anyone who thinks that Governor Christie is anything other than a gun grabber is either a fool or a democrat pretending to be a republican.


14 posted on 12/25/2015 8:48:34 AM PST by fatboy
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To: andrewinhd

He’s the worst. But some people in NH are buying his crap!


15 posted on 12/25/2015 9:38:47 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard then Third: I like to destroy the Turks (Moslims))
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To: jmacusa

Don’t insult the great Lou!

And a Merry Christmas to you, my FRiend!


16 posted on 12/25/2015 9:39:56 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard then Third: I like to destroy the Turks (Moslims))
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To: majormaturity; fatboy

I voted for Lonegan in 2009. Corzine couldnt have been elected dog catcher back then So Christie’s greatest achievement (getting elected governor in NJ) is like celebrating his own existence. Dont even get me started on Sandy...

I was born in Texas, raised in NJ since 92. Our founding fathers wouldnt recognized the state. Glad I got out of there a few years ago. I just wish I didnt have to leave my firearms behind when I bring my son to his grandparents twice a week.


17 posted on 12/25/2015 10:02:53 AM PST by andrewinhd
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

Thank you Master Christie but I don’t want to work on your plantation.


18 posted on 12/25/2015 10:22:33 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump and Cruz are not attacking each other. Why don't their follows take note)
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To: stocksthatgoup

christie is an obvious slave to doughnuts...many, many doughnuts...too many doughnuts.


19 posted on 12/25/2015 12:06:49 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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