Posted on 12/11/2015 10:01:36 AM PST by springwater13
Edited on 12/11/2015 10:13:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
It will be interesting to see if this little skirmish between Trump and Cruz escalates into a big brawl or cooler heads prevail. I always thought their meeting this summer at Trump Tower was about delegate strategy. The establishment hates both Cruz and Trump and can play all sorts of games at a brokered convention if neither Trump or Cruz has the majority of delegates.
However, if Cruz and Trump go the distance and continue to accumulate lots and lots of delegates, between them they could have a majority of the delegates. In a 3 way nomination contest, that is power. Let's say Trump is ahead with 35% of delegates, Rubio and Cruz split the rest. Cruz could ensure a Trump nomination and get himself on the ticket by pledging his delegates to Trump.
Likewise, if Cruz is leading the delegates, Trump could (bleep) the GOPe and pledge his delegates to Cruz.
I suspect their gentleman’s agreement is approximately:
“We each run our campaigns to attract as many anti-establishment votes as we can without attacking each other. When we have demonstrated that there is no GOPe candidate who can beat either of us singly, much less jointly, we can let the voters decide between us.”
I agree, but think that when one is the clear winner of x primaries the other will bow out and support. My guess is that Trump said no thanks to the veep spot, but Ted said yes conditional upon getting a USSC appointment.
First, we don’t need your language.
I do agree that Cruz and a Trump are coordinating.
I see this as a Trump/Cruz ticket.
Trump’s incumbency will be more like a President/Prime Minister situation than ever in US history with the veep actually running the show under the Chief executive.
Please self-report and have your post redact the offensive word.
The common practice here is to self-censor, making expressions such as yours “f***” at the worst, but “****” usually.
We can all have strong opinions without resorting to spelling these things out.
Newbie, we don’t use the f-bomb in our threads here.
(Well, we do, but we are more discreet.)
Trump’s incumbency will be more like a President/Prime Minister situation than ever in US history with the veep actually running the show under the Chief executive.
LOL...sure it will.
Not.
At least you’re partially right...about the Trump Prez part :)
Unless there is a MAJOR change, Trump doesn’t need any of Cruz’s delegates.
Trump can win it outright quite easy if the numbers stay anywhere near where they are now.
Cruz will only pick up a few delegates in the proportional states that have less than a 20% minimum and possibly Texas. While Trump will have all the delegates from all the winner take all states, plus all the delegates from the proportional states with a 20% minimum, plus his share of the delegates from the proportional states with lower or no minimums.
You think Cruz won’t be the veep?
You think he will? A big chunk of Cruz’ base (even here, on FR) have claimed they will NOT vote for Trump...even if Cruz is running mate. Why would Trump want to take such a risk?
Who is “Springwater13”?
The fact that Trump/Cruz has been 1/2 for a bit and they have have not gone after each other by now tells me there is some sort of an agreement.
If that is the case it is understandable considering the forces they are fighting against.
Kudos to Dr Carson for this threat against the GOPe if they dare to pull some back room shenanigans at the convention.
Do tell.
Trump was a TV reality show personality. I think he decided to use the reality game show tactic of forming an alliance.
The first hurdle is to knock out the other guys, the establishment candidates. Then, the two can fight each other for the win. As it stands, the establishment has self-destructed. They chose to go with Bush and his war chest. It didn’t work. Now they are pushing Rubio. That isn’t working either as Trump, Cruz and Carson have a huge lead — all of them outside of the establishment. They have over 50% of the vote locked up right now.
Now that Iowa is coming up and it looks like Cruz and Trump have their leads secured going into the first caucus, they can let the real primary battle begin.
When they go tooth and nail is anyone’s guess but it is inevitable. They both want the job. There is only one winner. As long as the establishment candidates are not in contention, they can go at it. My guess is that Trump will concede Iowa to Cruz. Cruz will concede New Hampshire to Trump (he never had a shot at NH, anyway) and when it comes to South Carolina...
Sit back and enjoy the fireworks. They both want that one.
I bet a very high number of Cruz supporters WILL support Trump.
It’s just now is not the time to think that. Primaries haven’t started. Once the chips are down, and votes counted they will come around.
I did not vote for Romney in the primaries last time, but I voted for him in the general election. Thank you for making me remember that horrible day.
“A big chunk of Cruz’ base (even here, on FR) have claimed they will NOT vote for Trump...even if Cruz is running mate.”
Interesting.
I have not heard or read even an inkling of that.
“Kudos to Dr Carson for this threat against the GOPe if they dare to pull some back room shenanigans at the convention.”
It speaks volumes that Trump, Cruz and Carson are the top three GOP candidates.
Now is the time to take down the GOPe and these three can do it.
No, but I do have a tin foil concession I could sell you.
“Why would Trump want to take such a risk?”
You think Trump is going to go liberal for the general?
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