Posted on 12/10/2015 9:08:24 AM PST by Biggirl
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
If they can’t attract his supporter, well, shy should his supporters vote for the?
If we can’t win, then at least we can be heard.
Exactly. The GOPe doesn’t care if they win or lose. They just don’t want Trump to win and shine the light on the cockroaches.
You said..
I hope the Trump enthusiasts recognize that if we nominate him instead of Cruz and Trump makes a fool of himself and loses to Hillary, then we will have given up any chance we ever had to challenge the establishment of the Party. Any time we try, all they will have to say is “remember Trump†and we are toast.
Excellent point. Not only that but the GOPe will become more firmly entrenched
On the other hand, if we support an establishment weenie, and he loses, we’ll just get another next time.
It’s time to draw a line in the sand.
I don’t think other world leaders feel it’s appropriate to appear as favoring or siding with a side in another country’s political races. It’s just not how they operate.
I think you’re hitting the wrong factor with the “elite”
The issue is with the folks with a traditional campaign/election mindset. In this the population of voters themselves represent something thats fixed. You have the ones who will vote Democrat, the ones who will vote Republican and the centrists whom will swing to determine the winner.
But that model may not exist anymore, and the voting population itself may be the critical variable. There have been plenty of articles and threads here about how Obama won in 2008 and 2012 not by traditional methods but by new data-driven ones that allowed him to abandon (and even suppress) centrist voters in favor of pulling an enormous amount of Democrat non-voters to the polls.
So, if Trump is expanding the population of voters by pulling new voters, a significant amount of new voters who will also vote for him, into the equation, then Peggy is wrong.
GOPe is already gone. That’s why she blathering in this non sensical manner.
Perino is the same way.
They are not paying attention, but it’s their job to do so.
Trump is, just in his honest successful way he manages his projects, is exposing the dishonesty of the Republican Party.
She’s right, but she doesn’t know how, this Republican Party cannot win with Trump. It will be transformed by the exposure he and Cruz are doing to it.
And she’s projecting. If Trump is destroying the party by not paying any attention to it’s corrupt leaders, he’s only doing to them what they do to conservatives - republicans destroy the country by not paying any attention to their conservative base
He’s brought a fight, but it’s against the dishonest corruption the GOP has put into politics. THey are not opposing the country destroying antics of the democrat party, the mess THAT party has become.
What are people like noonan so afraid Of?
Nah, if we lose with Trump we just try again. Let them say remember Trump all they want, if God raises up another strong leader next time around to take on the establishment and save our country (if we still have a country) we support him/her right up to the convention, and if the GOPe pulls their shenanigans and somehow gets their loser candidate nominated who will certainly lose to the democrat as they almost always do, so be it. We just keep supporting the people who truly represent us, and we just keep fighting. We do not surrender to the establishment because some times our guy loses (Barry Goldwater) and sometimes our guy wins (Ronald Reagen.) We are not naughty children to be scolded and overuled by the GOPe who think themselves our betters.
But it's a whole lot closer than the "last chance to save humanity" by global climate change treaties.
Peggy dear....
although you can’t grasp the concept, can’t understand the reality consider this
when you scratch the surface of Donald Trump, you reveal the boys of Pointe du Hoc
Bravery and action
The GOP has two options:
Go full Tea Party
Go the way of the Whigs.
Ditto!
Hello GopE.....ring a ling...the Clue Phone....and it’s for you....
Go pound sand, Peggy.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
Gee ... that's a brilliant observation, Pegster!
But ... we would't be where we are today if it hadn't been for Peggy "Benedict Arnold" Noonan's feckless endorsement of Obama back in 2008.
Thanks to the likes of you, Peggy, (and Christopher Buckley, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Colin Powell and other RINOs) we might have avoided our existing "clear and present dangers".
But hey, you're the expert Pegster.
I really don’t mean to argue...just be factual.
The last 2 PPP polls, which are listed on RCP average has trump tied with Clinton in one PPP poll...and behind Clinton by one in the latest PPP poll.
I did not find head to head in the CBS battleground tracker.
I’ll look more later.
Again just wanting to factual.
There is, however, this vein of deep seated anger over the way the country is going and the PC suppression of public discussion that Trump is tapping into. But the regular elite simply don't even see it, and are aghast that Trump's tapping into it shows it to be a much more widespread phenomenon than they took it to be. It's not some "fringe" group who feels this way.
And nothing disquiets the elite more than a wide, angry, popular movement that they can't understand, manipulate or predict.
Well said.
Oh, good. I forgot about the PPP poll. Today’s CBS (pretty sure it’s today’s CBS-—so many polls) has him beating her by five. I’ve seen another poll that had him beating her by five. So PPP would be three either win or tied.
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