[SJackson]

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[The_Media_never_lie]

What we need is frank speech. We need to talk to our Muslim fellow citizens about why some of them celebrated on 9-11.

Our Muslim fellow citizens have never spoken out about this spiking the football, other than to deny that it happened, to the best of my knowledge.

[Sacajaweau]

http://www.northjersey.com/news/palestinian-flag-raising-is-highlight-of-heritage-week-in-paterson-1.1324680

[Westbrook]

My brother in law was a recently retired NJ cop in 2001. On that day, 9-11 he was reactivated because most of the northern NJ cops were sent to NYC to assist.

His assignment was to help quel the rioting in Paterson. Yes, they were dancing in the streets. Yes, they were obstructing traffic. He was there. He saw it, and he told me about it when I saw him over the holidays that year.

I have not forgotten the look on his face when he told me about it. He called the celebrators “pieces of $h!t”. I asked him how he was able to refrain from cracking skulls. He answered, “I’m a professional.”

[napscoordinator]

“Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down.”

He is quite amazing but is he that incredible to be in two places at the same time. And no he could not run to NJ on that day. Air flights cancelled for the day (at least) and he could not get a car through the city no matter how important he is. So no I believe one of these is an exaggeration.

[jersey117]

Last paragraph.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41898/911-muslim-attacks-on-us-remember-what-happened-who-did-it-who-celebrated/

[Arm_Bears]

There’s a very simple, straight-forward standard that can be applied here: You’re either for us, or you’re against.

(I know, I know—Lacking in nuance and subtle sophistication.)

Even if they weren’t dancing in the streets (which I believe they were); in the absence of condemnation of the acts commited by their Muslim “brothers,” they are to be considered enemies of the US.

[SES1066]

I cannot help but wonder if there would be the same firestorm if Mr Trump were to have said that he saw ‘some’ Muslim celebrations? For some of these critics, it is a MUST that there were NO CELEBRATIONS because that denies the multiculturalism meme that they hold dear.

[Diogenesis]

"George Stephanopoulos dismissed accounts as mere "internet rumor."

Stephanopoulos? This one?

[Jack Hydrazine]

FBI TRACKING 48 HIGH RISK TERRORISTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUxk19iVMtk

OBAMA THREATENS STATES: BLOCK REFUGEES AND FACE CONSEQUENCES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qR-aV92yVk

‘THOUSANDS’ OF ISLAMIC STATE RADICALS IN THE US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFuL_RjnSH8

15 US ‘CITIZEN TERRORISTS’ ARE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikic4FTAxc

Shock Poll: 51% of U.S. Muslims Want Sharia; 25% Okay with Violence Against Americans
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/06/24/shock-poll-51-of-american-muslims-want-sharia-25-okay-with-violence-against-americans/

[BA63]

Funny thing...everybody is waiting for Trump to have a gaff moment where he does himself in. Both the GOPe and the MSM are scared by his message. I’m not sure about NJ, but one thing is for sure there WAS celebrating by our enemies when the Towers fell. Our enemies are at the gates, strike that in the gates.

[Sicon]

I remember seeing it covered on TV, and I remember it being discussed by the media at the time, and I remember my own disgust that it was happening right across the Hudson from the WTC, in my own state of NJ. I am not senile, and I am not fabricating a memory or conflating the news footage of muslims in the middle east celebrating, with news footage of their friends and relatives in the U.S. celebrating.

It WAS in NJ, among other places. I watched the smoke from the WTC blowing out to sea from my apartment balcony in NJ on 9/11. Someone want to call me a liar? Go ahead. I know what I saw and heard that day, every bit of it, and I will never forget it. No amount of soviet-style revisionist history by the media is going to tell me otherwise.

[I want the USA back]

Suppose there’s a group of Boston natives living in New York City. Suppose the Red Sox beat the Yankees in New York. Are the Sox fans going to cheer and have parties?

Same with the towelheads. Their true allegiance is with the jihadis, not with Americans. Even if no one saw them celebrating, they did.

[djstex]

Great post of yours ,thanks.

[Stentor]

A few people trying to drag truth out of the quicksand.

[M Kehoe]

In the fwiw dept., I witnessed a NBC affiliate in Patterson, NJ showing about 50 Muslims celebrating on 9-11, and a CNN/Headline News video showing Muslims in Gaza and Jenine (W. Bank) celebrating (ululating, handing out candy), on 9-12.

I will never forget it.

Go and reproduce asexually MSM.

5.56mm

[GilGil]

Whom are we to believe? The media and establishment pubs and dems or Trump?

See you at the top President Trump!!!!!!

[Elsie]

In a May 5, 1920 photograph of Lenin delivering a speech, Trotsky is clearly visible. After Trotsky fell out of favor, he was airbrushed out of the photo. The Soviets were also good at smearing any speaker of inconvenient truths as too insane to be heard. We must reject the Soviet concept of truth. Truth is truth, even if it is politically incorrect. And truth is our friend. Truth is the friend of non-Muslims and Muslims alike.

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Eerily familiar...

 

 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.

 

16. Ministry Of Truth

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The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 

 

[Elsie]

What we need is frank speech. We need to talk to our Muslim fellow citizens about why some of them celebrated on 9-11.

We DO??

Whatever for?

We KNOW why 'some' celebrated!

[Yosemitest]

Northern New Jersey Draws Probers' Eyes
By Serge F. Kovaleski and Fredrick Kunkle September 18, 2001

The FBI investigation into the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon has led agents back to a familiar area: northern New Jersey.

It was there, in Jersey City, just across the Hudson River from Manhattan, that a Muslim cell plotted the 1993 bombing of the twin towers and sought to destroy other New York landmarks as part of an urban guerrilla war against the United States.

It is believed that 13 of those detained by federal authorities for questioning in its probe into the worst terrorist act in U.S. history are from northeastern New Jersey, some from the same Journal Square area where suspects in the 1993 bombing lived.

Teams of agents have also conducted myriad interviews and seized computer and paper records at apartment buildings, businesses, hotels and motels in at least 10 towns and cities in northern New Jersey -- from Weehawken to Wayne, and Fort Lee to Florham Park. Furthermore, FBI teams and state troopers have done the same at several flight training schools and charter businesses at small airports in the area, including the Morristown and Teeterboro airports.

At Morristown Municipal Airport, Tom O'Looney, president of Certified Flyers Inc., said investigators left him a 20-page FBI watch list containing the names of 300 people. Michael Glover, director of American Flyers at the Morristown airport, said authorities asked him about any foreign nationals who may have attended his flight school. But Glover said none were on his rolls.

Law enforcement officials said northeastern New Jersey could be potentially fertile ground as 4,000 FBI special agents search for accomplices, associates and ultimately further clues about last Tuesday's devastating terrorist strikes against symbols of American financial and military might.

In October 1995, Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who delivered fiery sermons at a run-down mosque in Jersey City, was convicted of directing the conspiracy to blow up the United Nations, an FBI building, and three bridges and tunnels linking New York and New Jersey. He was also convicted of being part of a plot to kill Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Sayyid Nosair of Jersey City and Cliffside Park was also charged in the 1990 killing of Rabbi Meir Kahane in Manhattan. The Kahane murder was the beginning of a series of militant acts by the Muslim cell that was encouraged by Abdel-Rahman, the group's spiritual leader.

One such act was the Feb. 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six people, injured more than 1,000 and inflicted $500 million worth of damage.

"The area in and around Jersey City has provided individuals in the past who were bent on terrorism. So I am sure that area is of great interest to investigators right now," said James K. Kallstrom, the former head of the FBI's New York office. "They are not knocking down any straw men at this point. I think now is the time when the broad spectrum of possibilities has to be looked at."

In Jersey City, an urban enclave of 240,055 people that is home to one of the largest Arab populations among U.S. cities, members of that Middle Eastern community said they are being unfairly targeted and misunderstood by the FBI.

"First of all, I think the people [convicted] of the bombing of the World Trade Center were innocent. . . . The Muslims are an easy way out, especially when you don't know who committed the act," said Essam Abouhamer, director of the Altawheed Islam Center. "The message of Islam is to be peaceful with yourself and others."

Hasam Ibrahim, 37, who came to the United States 16 years ago from Egypt and owns a limousine company in Jersey City, said he and others in similar circumstances moved here in search of better lives and are proud to be Americans.

"It is impossible," he said of suggestions that a terrorist cell in or around Jersey City may have helped plot the deadly attacks last week. "People here from the Middle East just want to work and have good lives. I love the United States. I eat in the United States. I earn money in the United States, and my children go to schools in the United States. A lot of people in this Arab community feel like me."

Investigators said at least two of the hijackers, Nawaq Al Hamzi and Salem Al Hamzi, are believed to have had addresses in Wayne and Fort Lee. They apparently rented a mail box in Fort Lee, at Mail Boxes Etc.

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center,
law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people
who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops
while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

Over the weekend, authorities raided a small apartment building in Jersey City to search an apartment rented by two men who were detained in Texas on Wednesday, on possible immigration violations. Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, 47, and Ayub Ali Khan, 51, both from India, were taken into custody Wednesday on an Amtrak train in Texas, carrying $5,000 in cash, hair dye and box cutter knives -- weapons said to have been used by the hijackers. During the raids in Jersey City, authorities detained a third man, Abdoul Salam Achou, 37, whose visa application allegedly expired on Sept. 1.

Investigators also detained three men in Elizabeth, N.J., who were carrying a large amount of cash and a one-way ticket to Syria. The three men, Ahmad Kilfat, 45, Mohammad Mahmoud Al Raqqad, 37, and Nicholas Makrakis, 27, were in a red Pontiac that matched an FBI description of a vehicle connected with the attacks.

Yemina Barbosa, 46, who lives across the street from the three-story apartment house on Tulip Street in Passaic, N.J. -- a mostly black and Latino neighborhood where Kilfat and Al Raqqad were thought to live -- said expensive, "sporty" cars would often park in front of the house.

Neighbors said a car that they believed belongs to the two men was towed tonight from in front of the apartment house, after the vehicle was examined by a bomb squad.

How do you think Trump was commuting to and from the Trump World Tower, a 72-story residential tower across from the United Nations Headquarters ?

Do you really think he was in a limo going to and from all his hotels ?