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Carson loses his hold on Iowa’s conservatives
Politico ^ | 11/21/15 | Katie Glueck

Posted on 11/21/2015 10:06:51 AM PST by Isara

Worried about security, these voters are shifting toward Ted Cruz.

SIOUX CITY, Iowa-Hours after terrorists attacked a hotel in Mali and a week after Islamic State fighters struck Paris, Ted Cruz took the floor here to deliver a harsh critique of President Obama's Middle East posture and pledge a hardline approach to Syrian Muslim refugees.

It was exactly what this crowd of mostly conservative Christians wanted - and an ominous sign for Iowa's weakened frontrunner, Ben Carson.

Across the state and at a major gathering of politically active evangelicals on Friday night, foreign policy was top-of-mind for the voters and state lawmakers once considered natural constituents for Carson. But after a week of confused comments from the former neurosurgeon and a dismissive critique by his own advisors, Iowans are now consistently voicing doubt about Carson's credentials to be commander-in-chief.

Indeed, they said the terrorist attacks have reordered the candidates in their mind, lifting Cruz and Sen. Marco Rubio and, for many, making Carson an afterthought.

"He's a great guy, he's fun to listen to, but I didn't hear anything substantive," said Alan Hilgerson, a Des Moines-based physician who said national security is an "extremely high" priority for him as he considers the 2016 contenders vying for Iowa. Of Carson, he continued, "I don't know that I'd want him as my president."

Worse yet for Carson, at the Family Leader Forum organized by social-conservative icon Bob Vander Plaats, voters said the more they thought about Carson's foreign policy credentials, the less comfortable they were with him.

Marilu Erdahl - who drove two-and-a-half hours in the snow to see the candidates speak, making her exactly the kind of Republican the candidates count on during the wintry caucuses - said she entered the event torn between Cruz and Carson. But as she talked through the importance of national defense, she decided on Cruz. "He has experience, he's shown what he can do," she said of Cruz. "With the state of affairs we're in right now, I think it is very important. It's vital...We need someone who knows the ropes, who's not the establishment but who doesn't need on-the-job training."

She went on: "I guess I've maybe made up my mind."

Carson and Cruz have been racing toward this collision in Iowa for weeks. Both have been courting the same Christian conservative community that makes up a crucial bloc of the state's caucus electorate. But the turning point came when security and foreign policy were forced to the top of the GOP agenda by the terrorist attacks.

Carson landed here fresh off a string of fumbles that included struggling to name countries he'd ask to join a coalition to fight the group known as ISIS or ISIL and smarting from a New York Times story the featured one of his own foreign policy advisers saying the candidate was struggling to grasp key issues.

The momentum, according to activists, state lawmakers and other voters here, now appears to be with Cruz. And he seems to know it.

"On the Republican side, I think the Paris attacks infuse a greater seriousness to the search for who is prepared to be commander-in-chief, who has the experience, who has the judgment, who has the understanding of the very real and growing threats facing America," Ted Cruz told POLITICO in an interview in Iowa.

"The overlay of the Paris attacks, even today, the horrific attack in Mali, makes clear that we need a president who's prepared on Day 1 to understand the nature of the threats facing America and to lead this country in standing up to these threats and defending our citizens from the growing menace of radical Islamic terrorism," he said on the sidelines of the Family Leader event.

Influential Iowa vote-broker Steve King, who endorsed Cruz last week, pointed to a new online NBC poll that showed Carson dropping, and said he attributed that slip to renewed interest in national security and Carson's struggles with the issue. Polls conducted by more traditional methods will provide a fuller picture in coming weeks.

"They'll often say, all politics are local, politics are domestic, domestic politics will elect the next president. I'm not sure that's right. Not when you see the pictures of the bodies in places like Paris and around the world, Beirut, now Mali today," King said. "When we see that, and we're almost guaranteed that's going to continue until we defeat [terrorists], that makes a candidate that's strong on foreign policy, strong on national defense...that makes that candidate stronger."

"Being [from] outside the Beltway doesn't help with that. Being inside the Beltway, as long as you're not ruled by that, I think does help," King said.

In interviews with voters and activists at stops in conservative western Iowa and then at the presidential forum in Des Moines, it was clear they do not see Carson as equally up to the challenge. In fact, the characteristics once cited by voters here as boosting Carson - his soft-spoken nature and disinterest in attacking his competition, for example -- are now seen as problematic.

"Carson, he's a wonderful guy, but we like Cruz better," said Judy Kirby of Des Moines, who said she is gravely concerned about foreign policy in the wake of several high-profile terrorist attacks. Cruz "seems more knowledgeable, he seems stronger."

Voters described Carson as "lacking fire in the belly," as being a nice person but too "soft-spoken," and said he doesn't come across as sufficiently tough. That's in contrast to both Donald Trump, a tough talker who pledges to "bomb the sh** out of" ISIL, and Cruz and Rubio, who have both sought to demonstrate Senate-acquired policy chops.

"It's probably one of [Carson's] weakest stances," said Chris Boley, a business owner who attended the Family Leader event and is now leaning toward Rubio. "That doesn't mean he can't get up to speed, but he has some catching up to do...In this day and age, with how important national defense is, with terrorism in the Middle East, you've got to be real studied."

At two campaign stops on Friday, followed by an appearance at a conservative cattle call, Cruz tried to highlight just how "studied" on both terrorism and the refugee crisis. And at each site, King stressed that part of the reason he is backing Cruz is that he trusts the Texas senator to play hardball with world leaders, a qualification that resonated with the hawkish mood of the crowds.

They cheered Cruz's analysis of the chaos in the Middle East - something he blames on both Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - and his with-us-or-against-us language on ISIL.

"If you join ISIS, you are signing your death warrant," Cruz pledged.

Voters also embraced Cruz's concerns about Syrian refugees coming to America, fears shared by many in the audiences.

Cruz said that Syrian refugees-who he conceded are suffering from a "humanitarian crisis" - should be resettled not in the United States but in the Middle East. Cruz said the United States is already spending huge sums to help refugees. Carson also opposes allowing in Syrian refugees, but Cruz has made a legislative push on the effort, a Washington credential he repeatedly points to.

On Friday night, Carson tried to demonstrate national security chops, accusing Obama of tying American troops' hands, and of being an "armchair quarterback, he is interfering tremendously." He earned applause for those remarks, and was well-received when more broadly criticizing "political correctness."

But Cruz, seated next to Carson on stage, quickly and easily upstaged him. Obama, Cruz said, was worse than an armchair quarterback. "The policies he's advocating are helping the other team."

The crowd rewarded him with applause and whistles.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bencarson; carson; commanderinchief; cruz; election2016; elections; foreignpolicy; hammertime; iowa; nationalsecurity; tcruz; tedcruz
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To: erod
While Carson and Trump bask in the spotlight, Cruz is gathering an army of volunteers, laying down the ground game and gathering the money to run an impressive campaign that can go deep into the primary season.

Absolutely on Cruz. But don't assume that Trump or even Carson are simply basking in the spotlight. Trump has been getting his ground game together. Carson has had volunteers in a number of southern states for a long time. Both have money.
41 posted on 11/21/2015 1:01:15 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Santorum had plenty of defined positions and a well-established history

Santorum didn't campaign on any "well defined positions." He campaigned by standing in front of a banner that read "Courageous," talking about how courageous he was, and then badmouthing his competitors. Santorum's Issues page on his website had Pornography on the top of the list for most of the election cycle.

The idea that Santorum had an Issues Orientated campaign is silly. He had a social conservative campaign, maybe, he had a prayer campaign, maybe, he had a sweater vest campaign, maybe, but he was shallow and spent most of his time making his religious appeal. Hence he was Saint Rick, and not regular Rick trying to win an election.

I was especially pissed at Santorum in the way he tore down fellow competitors, even after promising he wouldn't. He spent more time tearing down other people's ideas than he did talking about his own.

Santorum was a train wreck. He never had a chance. He should never have been given that chance, especially after Arlen Specter and his right to work votes.

42 posted on 11/21/2015 1:03:47 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I said Santorum had well-defined positions. Finding them was as simple as going to his website. He also had a well-established voting record. Not perfect, but certainly better than most of his competititors. Because I don't watch television, I didn't view his campaign as a member of the general public might, so I will have to take your word for it that he didn't run on issues. They were there for those who cared to look.

It is hard to run a campaign from his position, just as it was for Jindal, who had some bad moments striking out at other candidates (mainly Trump).

Given the 2012 field, you're pretty hard on a man who has been a pretty solid conservative from a state not known for such. I HOPE that this time around we have learned NOT To eat our own. Last time, Romney was the enemy, and I found myself swinging from Cain, to Perry, to Gingrich, to Santorum (I voted in the late Wisconsin primary, and Santorum was last man standing) all in an effort to stop Romney.

I THINK this time most of us have learned our lesson, and will stop straining at gnats to destroy people who are NOT GOP-E.

I am a Cruz supporter who can understand how people can support Trump, Carson or Cruz. For me, the deal breaker is pro-life, and anyone who doesn't have that as a core issue must understand that it is make or break for a LARGE part of the base, just as 2nd Amendment rights are.

I have tried to call them as I see them, perhaps commenting on other candidates' positions but mainly going after John Ellis Bush. I encourage you and other Freepers to do likewise. Even after John Ellis Bush is out, we can air our differences without creating enmities among our allies for the General Election.
43 posted on 11/21/2015 1:29:50 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I said Santorum had well-defined positions. Finding them was as simple as going to his website.

Not even his website was worth anything. I remember going to Santorum's website, and reading his issues page which consisted of how bad Porno is, some stuff about families, some vague statements about some random issue, a complaint about video game violence or something along those lines. I remember clicking one link on his issues page expecting some details about one of his plans, only to find one or two lines from Santorum expressing his general support for some vague topic.

Santorum was never running an ideas campaign, not even digitally.

As for not eating our own: you should have told that to Santorum, one of the nastier pieces of work I've ever seen!

44 posted on 11/21/2015 1:34:22 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Cruz and Carson are running a campaign just trying to reach out to this one narrow group. Outside of places like Iowa, it won’t play well.”

Actually, Cruz is reaching out to 3 of the 4 major GOP constituencies; Evangelicals, Tea Party Conservatives and Libertarians, and doing quite well with each group. He is very well-funded and well-organized in all the early states. He has written off the moderate/establishment wing, and is not making a big play for the more moderate New Hampshire.

Bottom line though is he is doing far more than appealing to one narrow group. Anyone that says otherwise is simply not paying attention.


45 posted on 11/21/2015 2:00:34 PM PST by lquist1
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Trump will probably win Iowa!


46 posted on 11/21/2015 2:39:26 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel (I LOVE JESUS CHRIST because He first loved me!)
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To: Isara

Trump wants to start a government welfare program to help collage students with their collage tuition.

Isn’t that what Rand Paul advocated early summer ?

CONSERVATISM : Make govern!ment smaller, not grow government.

No matter how you look at it, it’s still socialism.

GOVERMENT WELFARE DOES NOT GROW JOBS.

The Trump supporters are trowing off any pretense.


47 posted on 11/21/2015 9:41:28 PM PST by American Constitutionalist ( because the Constitution matters.)
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