Posted on 11/20/2015 9:08:37 PM PST by markomalley
not vote? so we can coronate Hillary? what sort of winning formula is that?
And then there’s the below. And the fact that some pages of her blog are filled with one story after another of gay marriage getting passed in places.
http://www.lizmair.com/index.php?Num=54#navbar
August 29, 2011
On Obama’s free trade rhetoric
Readers will know I’m not a hater of President Obama by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, there are some things I agree with him about, or at least get close.
The clowns are chasing the wind.
“They don’t have a “strong” GOPe candidate, where would they get a third party one?’ Walmart.”
They don’t need a strong GOPe candidate. They need a spoiler who can draw 3-5% of the vote in just a few critical states.
The three two Perot third party candidacies in 1992 and 1996 swang the 1992 and 1996 elections to the Dems. In 2000 the third party candidacy of Nader cost Gore a few thousand votes in Florida and Florida’s electoral votes in an extremely tight election. If Nader’s Florida votes had been cast for Gore, the Florida vote in 2000 would have been a Gore win on election night and there would have been no hanging chad recount or Supreme Court case.
Due to the polarization of the country, it only takes a small swing of a 2-3% to affect the national results. As the 2000 election demonstrated a few thousand votes in a key state with significant electoral votes can be the determining factor.
Hillary will have the large urban states locked up, even Trump’s home state of NY. Consider if the GOPe runs Jeb, Rubio, or Kasich third party against Trump. If either took 5% of the total Florida vote from Trump in Florida, Trump would lose Florida and its electoral votes. Third party gets 5% in Florida along with 2 or 3 of the following states and Hillary goes to bed early election night with a big smile on her face: North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri. In reality, giving Florida or Ohio alone to Hillary is probably sufficient to determine the national election which makes a Jeb, Rubio or Kasich third party run compelling if you want to cost Trump the election. Remember the goal here is not to win, it is to play spoiler.
Consider if Republicans make up 30% of the electorate and 20% of Republicans are hard core moderate to left and hate the right wing of the party. That 20% equates to 6% of the total electorate, before addressing those moderate independent voters who might be anti Trump or Cruz and willing to vote third party moderate. These potential 3rd party independents represent another 3-5% of the voters in most stated. If the third part spoiler candidate can get half of the 9-11% of moderate GOP and independent vote every swing state goes to Hillary on election night as well as a few normally GOP states.
By now Jeb and his family know he lacks the personality to win a national election. The Bush family is close personally to the Clinton family. If the behind the scenes donors and power brokers in the GOP decide a Hillary presidency is preferable to Trump or Cruz, Jeb will run and play spoiler in Florida and a couple of other targeted states. If Jeb won’t run, Kasich may be recruited to play spoiler in Ohio and ensure a couple of potential swing states (Pennsylvania, Virginia) stay in the Dem camp. I think Rubio is less likely to go 3rd party due to his age. Whoever runs third party is certainly killing their chances of being the GOP nominee in 2020. However they are also locking in some very lucrative payoffs in the form of corporate board assignments and positions with prestigious law and lobbying firms.
Interesting that the numbers work the same for the Dems. Run Sanders third party and Hillary almost certainly loses. Sanders wins 3-5% of the vote and Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Florida and Minnesota all go GOP.
Does the GOPe hate conservatives enough to throw the election if Trump or Cruz is the nominee? Will Jeb, Rubio, or Kasich exchange their presidential hopes in the future to play spoiler for the party elites? Stay tuned.
I don’t believe Sanders will run 3rd party because he can wield more power and influence in the Senate during a Hillary administration than he can as an ostracized spoiler in a Trump or Cruz administration. As a leftist ideologue, payoffs in the form of corporate board seats or head of a think tank don’t interest him. A cabinet position in a Hillary administration or promise of a coveted Senate committee chairmanship when the Dems retake the Senate would likely be enough to keep him on the reservation. After all he saw that Nader became a dead man in the progressive world after Gore’s 2000 loss to Bush. Sanders is now a national figure. He won’t give up his new status to deny Hillary the election through a third party run.
We are talking about the Primary here aren't we?
This is utterly stupid. What possible logical argument could be put forth to persuade a Conservative Republican not to vote?
Conservatives are known for voting in primaries. It's what we do. We vote for the most conservative candidate that can win. We try to primary out the RINO incumbents.
We may be dissuaded from voting for Trump but we will still vote for a conservative and that means we will not be voting GOPe.
These billionaires are wasting their money if they think Conservatives will not be voting because of this campaign.
The primary purpose of PACs is to put money into the pockets of their founders.
Effecting a particular political outcome is secondary.
The powerful elite dont care why or wherefore. They just want their face in the pie and trump could get in the way.
Logic tells me the Trump phenomena is different. He has phenomenal support from military, Veterans, and those who vote to support them. Among his peer age group.....older baby boomers and senior citizens, those of us who "get it" that this is not the US we grew up in, his support levels are very high. These are two groups that vote faithfully.
Then there's new voters. There's nothing impressive about hillary to them. Trump with his media savvy does well talking to them.
It's become a non-shooting war. The elite clinging to power by any means necessary. And the "sleeping giant", the US voter, having been awakened by our unlikely hero, Donald Trump.
Trump wasnt my guy but I honestly believe he may be the only candidate that can turn things around in this country. I watched the 20/20 show last night.....I urge all to watch that show. Ive new respect for Trump.
Trump is like an ultraviolet lamp that when turned on reveals RINO viruses all over the floor.
Either way - she;\'s a freak who thinks she's smart and has her head screwed on right when it's partially stuffed up her butt - IOW, typical leftist posing as a "conservative"...
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GO CRUZ!! Keep it up Trump!!
I’m sorry but this just reeks of desperation.
I only give to individual candidates like Trump.
Besides, this ‘woman’ isn't all she's cracked up to be either...do some research, she's a nasty little critter...
So these geniuses think this is the magic bullet against Trump but that Cabana Boy will get a pass on being the spokesmouth for the Gang of Eight Amnesty push?
oh my
That dog don’t hunt anymore.
Notice that Cruz and Trump aren't falling for any efforts to get them to start shooting at each other.
These uniparty types are disgraceful...
I’ve witnessed the same...regarding the unhinged loonies.
It’s like their FR names have been taken over by PAC plants.
Good news about the cease and desist!! I figured that was bound to happen....she/he (Liz/Lez) couldn’t even come up with an original name, for her dirty tricks scheme. LOL.
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