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Does Science Disprove God?
Townhall.com ^ | November 5, 2015 | Jerry Newcombe

Posted on 11/05/2015 10:05:02 AM PST by Kaslin

A Pew Research Poll released last week reports that fifty-nine percent of Americans see science and religion in conflict. But they also found that, "highly religious Americans are less likely than others to see conflict between faith and science."

I'm not a scientist, and I don't play one on TV. But it's amazing to me to see how some scientists like to claim that somehow science has disproven God.

Meanwhile, on Bill Maher's television program last month (10/2/15), he and guest Richard Dawkins essentially declared that science has disproved God.

Bill Maher: "You talk about the wonder of science probably better than anybody and, of course, it's a little bit of a difficult mission because the more you explain how wonderful and amazing science is, the more the other side says, 'Well, yeah, because God did it!"' ....

Richard Dawkins: "I think that the wonder of science above all is precisely that God didn't do it, the wonder, we do understand how it came about, we do understand how life, in particular, came about with nothing but the laws of physics, nothing but atoms bumping into each other, and then filtered through the curious process that Darwin discovered, it gives rise to us and kangaroos and trees and walruses."

And Dawkins added: "What's truly wonderful is that it came about without being designed. If it had been designed, anybody could do that, it's the fact that it came about just through the laws of physics, naturalism is what's so wonderful about it."

Oh, the glories of science. Now we know better than the ancients, who simply swapped one mystery---the universe---for belief in another mystery---God.

Or do we? G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) was a great Christian thinker who noted this: "Science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say."

He also said, "Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all. If you are merely a sceptic, you must sooner or later ask yourself the question, 'Why should ANYTHING go right; even observation and deduction? Why should not good logic be as misleading as bad logic? They are both movements in the brain of a bewildered ape?'The young sceptic says, 'I have a right to think for myself.' But the old sceptic, the complete sceptic, says, 'I have no right to think for myself. I have no right to think at all.'"


By using reason, Dawkins concludes that this world is essentially reason-less. His type did not invent science, nor could it have. It takes belief in reason to understand the laws of science---even to agree that there are laws of science. And reason cannot form in the void of random materialism. That is why it is historically true that science was born in Christian Europe.

Alfred North Whitehead said that Christianity is the mother of science because of "the medieval insistence on the rationality of God." A rational God had made a rational universe, and it was the object of the scientists to---in the words of the great astronomer

Energetics, Lord Kelvin

Entomology of Living Insects, Henri Fabre

Field Theory, Michael Faraday

Fluid Mechanics, George Stokes

Galactic Astronomy, Sir William Herschel

Gas Dynamics, Robert Boyle

Genetics, Gregor Mendel

Glacial Geology, Louis Agassiz

Gynecology, James Simpson

Hydrography, Matthew Maury

Hydrostatics, Blaise Pascal

Ichthyology, Louis Agassiz

Isotopic Chemistry, William Ramsey

Model Analysis, Lord Rayleigh

Natural History, John Ray

Non-Euclidean Geometry, Bernard Riemann

Oceanography, Matthew Maury

Optical Mineralogy, David Brewster

So, are Christians anti-science? Not quite. Science was invented by Christians.

Furthermore, we write: "The prevailing philosophy of the Western world today is existentialism, which is irrational. It would not be possible for science to develop in an irrational world because science is based on the fact that if water boils at 212 degrees today, it will boil at 212 degrees tomorrow, and the same thing the next day, and that there are certain laws and regularities that control the universe." No rational God, no rational universe.

So, does science somehow disprove God? Not at all. On the contrary, the heavens declare the glory of God.

In the book, What If Jesus Had Never Been Born?, D. James Kennedy and I point out (based on the findings of Henry Morris) that virtually all the major branches of science were invented by Bible-believing scientists, including:

Antiseptic surgery, Joseph Lister

Bacteriology, Louis Pasteur

Calculus, Isaac Newton

Celestial Mechanics, Johannes Kepler

Chemistry, Robert Boyle

Comparative Anatomy, Georges Cuvier

Computer Science, Charles Babbage

Dimensional Analysis, Lord Rayleigh

Dynamics, Isaac Newton

Electronics, John Ambrose Fleming

Electrodynamics, James Clerk Maxwell

Electromagnetics, Michael Faraday

Energetics, Lord Kelvin

Entomology of Living Insects, Henri Fabre

Field Theory, Michael Faraday

Fluid Mechanics, George Stokes

Galactic Astronomy, Sir William Herschel

Gas Dynamics, Robert Boyle

Genetics, Gregor Mendel

Glacial Geology, Louis Agassiz

Gynecology, James Simpson

Hydrography, Matthew Maury

Hydrostatics, Blaise Pascal

Ichthyology, Louis Agassiz

Isotopic Chemistry, William Ramsey

Model Analysis, Lord Rayleigh

Natural History, John Ray

Non-Euclidean Geometry, Bernard Riemann

Oceanography, Matthew Maury

Optical Mineralogy, David Brewster

So, are Christians anti-science? Not quite. Science was invented by Christians.

Furthermore, we write: "The prevailing philosophy of the Western world today is existentialism, which is irrational. It would not be possible for science to develop in an irrational world because science is based on the fact that if water boils at 212 degrees today, it will boil at 212 degrees tomorrow, and the same thing the next day, and that there are certain laws and regularities that control the universe." No rational God, no rational universe.

So, does science somehow disprove God? Not at all. On the contrary, the heavens declare the glory of God.


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1 posted on 11/05/2015 10:05:02 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

**So, does science somehow disprove God?**

Science doesn’t prove the existence or nonexistence of any being.

Science does not prove I am or am not here. That is not the realm of science.


2 posted on 11/05/2015 10:08:52 AM PST by Gamecock (Preach the gospel daily, use words if necessary is like saying Feed the hungry use food if necessary)
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To: Kaslin

No, Yahuah created science.

His followers, Newton for instance, studied science to better understand his relationship with his creator.


3 posted on 11/05/2015 10:09:06 AM PST by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: Kaslin

Science can neither prove nor disprove God. God is outside of the realm of science.

I notice that some “scientists” are all giddy about “the infinity of alternate universes”.
“alternate universes” are outside of the realm of science. They are in the realm of belief, not science.


4 posted on 11/05/2015 10:09:36 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: Kaslin

If it had been designed, anybody could do that,
= = =

Nope.

Just look at all Human attempts at ‘designing’.
Solar and Wind farms.
Prison reform.
Attempts to cool the planet.
etc.

Must be Bush’s fault.


5 posted on 11/05/2015 10:09:36 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: Kaslin
Does science disprove God?

Absolutely not! Science supports that there is a creator. Specifically, the "Law of Conservation of Energy" and the "Second Law of Thermodynamics".
6 posted on 11/05/2015 10:10:41 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Kaslin

Poor Dawkins has not read Signature in the Cell and noticed that Darwinian evolution is so out-dated that even the Darwinians have tried to update it to Neo-Darwinianism. They gave that up about 5 years ago and now are trying to find something called Self-development of Matter as the culprit to life. Dawkins is clearly 20 years behind science. Maher is just demonic.


7 posted on 11/05/2015 10:10:50 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Kaslin

No.


8 posted on 11/05/2015 10:11:38 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Gamecock

Exactly, to even ask the question is to commit a category error.


9 posted on 11/05/2015 10:17:53 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: I want the USA back; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

I want to live in an alternate universe where socialism never took hold in America and Obama, having been expelled from college due to drug use, is a rodeo clown called “Bozo Barry”.


10 posted on 11/05/2015 10:19:55 AM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Kaslin

11 posted on 11/05/2015 10:20:10 AM PST by Paul46360
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To: Kaslin

12 posted on 11/05/2015 10:21:19 AM PST by Paul46360
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To: Kaslin

“...we do understand how life, in particular, came about with nothing but the laws of physics, nothing but atoms bumping into each other...”

I would certainly like to hear that explanation. Or better yet, demonstrate it experimentaly.


13 posted on 11/05/2015 10:22:07 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: Kaslin
Here are some excerpts from Stephen Hawkings' 1988 book A Brief History of Time, which I posted in 2009:


Here are some passages from A Brief History of Time. This book is full of spirituality.

From chapter 4, The Uncertainty Principle:

The doctrine of scientific determinism was strongly resisted by many people, who felt that it infringed God's freedom to intervene in the world, but it remained the standard assumption of science until the early years of this century...

The quantum hypothesis explained the observed rate of emission of radiation from hot bodies very well, but its implications for determinism were not realized until 1926, when another German scientist, Werner Heisenberg, formulated his famous uncertainty principle. In order to predict the future position and velocity of a particle, one has to be able to measure its present position and velocity accurately...

...In other words, the more accurately you try to measure the position of the particle, the less accurate you can measure its speed, and vice versa...

The uncertainty principle had profound implications for the way in which we view the world. Even after more than fifty years they have not been fully appreciated by many philosophers, and are still the subject of much controversy. The uncertainty principle signaled an end to Laplace's dream of a theory of science, a model of the universe that would be completely deterministic: one certainly cannot predict the future state of the universe precisely! We could still imagine that there is a set of laws that determine events completely for some supernatural being, who could observe the present state of the universe without disturbing it.

From chapter 8, The Origin and Fate of the Universe

Science seems to have uncovered a set of laws that, within the limits of the uncertainty principle, tell us how the universe will develop with time, if we know its state at any one time. These laws may have originally been decreed by God, but it appears that he has since left the universe ti evolve according to them and dies not now intervene in it. But how did he choose the initial state or configuration of the universe? What were the "boundary conditions" at the beginning of time?

One possible answer is to say that God chose the initial configuration of the universe for reasons that we cannot hope to understand. This would certainly been within the power of an omnipotent being, but if he had started it off in such an incomprehensible way, why did he choose to let it evolve according to laws that we could understand? The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.

...This means that the initial state of the universe must have been very carefully chosen indeed if the hot big bang model was correct right back to the beginning of time. It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings like us.

...If Euclidean space-time stretches back to infinite imaginary time, or else starts at a singularity in imaginary time, we have the same problem as in the classical theory of specifying the initial state of the universe: God may know how the universe began, but we cannot give any particular reason for thinking it began one way rather than another. On the one hand, the quantum theory of gravity has opened up a new possibility, in which there would be no boundary to space-time and so there would be no need to specify the behavior at the boundary. There would be no singularities at which the laws of science broke down and no edge of the space-time at which one would have to appeal to God or some new law to set the boundary conditions for space-time. One could say: "The boundary condition of the universe is that is has no boundary." The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE.

...The idea that space and time may form a closed surface without boundary also has profound implications for the role of God in the affairs of the universe. With the success of scientific theories in describing events, most people have come to believe that God allows the universe to evolve according to a set of laws and does not intervene in the universe to break these laws. However, the laws do not tell us what the universe should have looked like when it started -- it would still be up to God ti wind up the clockwork and choose how to start it off. So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?

From chapter 10, The Unification of Physics

But can there really be a unified theory? Or are we perhaps chasing a mirage? There seems to be three possibilities: 1) There really is is a complete unified theory, which we will someday discover if we are smart enough. 2) There is no ultimate theory of the universe, just an infinite sequence of theories that describe the universe more and more accurately. 3) There is no theory of the universe; events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent but occur in a random and arbitrary manner.

Some would argue for the third possibility on the grounds that if there were a complete set of laws, that would infringe on God's freedom to change his mind and intervene in the world. It's a bit like the old paradox: Can God make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it? But the idea that God might want to change his mind is an example of the fallacy, pointed out by St. Augustine, of imagining God as a being existing in time: time is a property only of the universe that God created. Presumably, he knew what he intended when he set it up!

With the advent of quantum mechanics, we have come to recognized that events cannot be predicted with complete accuracy but that there is always a degree of uncertainty. If one likes, one could ascribe this randomness to the intervention of God, but it would be a very strange kind of intervention: there is no evidence that it is directed toward any purpose. Indeed, if it were, it would by definition not be random. In modern times, we have removed the third possibility above by redefining the goal of science: our aim is to formulate a set of laws that enables us to predict events only up to the limit set by the uncertainty principle.

From chapter 11, Conclusion:

We find ourselves in a bewildering world. We want to make sense of what we see around us and ask: What is the nature of the universe? What is our place in it and where did it and we come from? Why is it the way it is?

...The success of these laws led Laplace at the beginning of the nineteenth century to postulate scientific determinism, that is, he suggested that there would be a set of laws that would determine the evolution of the universe precisely, given the configuration at one time.

Laplace's determinism was incomplete in two ways. It did not say how the laws should be chosen, and it did not specify the initial configuration of the universe. These were left to God. God would choose how the universe began and what laws it obeyed, but he would not intervene in the universe once it had been started. In effect, God was confined to the areas that nineteenth-century science did not understand.

...In effect, we have redefined the task of science to be the discovery of laws that will enable us to predict events up to the limits set by the uncertainty principle. The question remains, however: How or why were the laws and the initial state of the universe chosen?

...These singularities would be an end of time for anyone who fell into the black hole. At the Big Bang and other singularities, all laws would have broken down, so God would still have had complete freedom to choose what happened and how the universe began.

...But if the universe is completely self-contained, with no singularities or boundaries, and completely described by a unified theory, that has profound implications for the role of God as Creator.

Einstein once asked the question: "How much choice did God have in constructing the universe?" If the no boundary proposal is correct, he had no freedom at all to choose initial conditions. He would, of course, still have had the freedom to choose the laws that the universe obeyed. This, however, may not really have been that much of a choice; there may well be only one, or a small number, of complete unified theories... that are self-consistent and allow the existence of structures as complicated as human beings who can investigate the laws of the universe and ask about the nature of God.

...Up to now, most scientists have been too preoccupied with the development of new theories that describe what the universe is to ask the question why? On the other hand, the people whose business it is to ask why, the philosophers, have not been able to keep up with the advancement of scientific theories.

...However, if we do discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists, and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we would know the mind of God.


-PJ

14 posted on 11/05/2015 10:22:36 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Kaslin
One of these polls back in the 80's asked scientists if they believed in a supreme being, and 81% or so answered yes.

Another poll taken at roughly the same time period asked pastors, reverends, etc., the same question and about 79% answered yes.

15 posted on 11/05/2015 10:23:00 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Kaslin
"I think that the wonder of science above all is precisely that God didn't do it, the wonder, we do understand how it came about, we do understand how life, in particular, came about with nothing but the laws of physics, nothing but atoms bumping into each other, and then filtered through the curious process that Darwin discovered, it gives rise to us and kangaroos and trees and walruses."

Imagine "digital life". I take that to mean that video game techniques will evolve into vastly more comprehensive "beings" -- will take decades. As long as the computer is up these beings will experience a form of life.

They and their "physical world" will be programmed to respond to factors as we respond to the laws of a material world and its phenomena.

So they too could one day believe that they understand and know it all. Ask them to explain programming languages, source code, object code, executables, and the computer.

16 posted on 11/05/2015 10:25:53 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Gamecock

What is the “realm of science”?


17 posted on 11/05/2015 10:27:41 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Newton wrote more on Theology than he did on Science-—but somehow the revisionist Marxists like to tell us that the Age of Reason and Modern Science were “atheist” products.

No-—actually, it is ONLY the Christian Worldview-—the one that holds that the World is DESIGNED-—that created the concept of mathematics (God’s language) and the ideas of “cause and effect”——which is true science. True “science” just gives predictions-—never Truth with a capital “T”.

Science, when it makes “Truth’ claims becomes a religion. Darwinian Evolution is a religion-—it is NOT scientific at all-—as Dr. Berlinski stated-—Darwinian Evolution is “preposterous” and WE ALLOW the “science” books to promote that religion and irrational idea 24/7. Variation in Kinds is NOT “evolutions” although they twist words to imply “variations” are “evolution” to destroy Reason in children-—so they will believe the lies in evolutionary “theory”-—their “Truth” (LOL) claims.

It is one of the reason children are FORCED to think Science and Religion are in conflict. It was St. Thomas Aquinas who PROVED that there is no conflict with Reason and Faith if you eliminate “blind” faith.

All humans have “faith” (religion)——but some “faith” is more rational (Christianity) than others-—islam/himduism/buddhism-—etc.

The Age of Reason (science) was ONLY based with a CHRISTIAN worldview because Christians realized “Reason” (Mind) makes us in the image of God-—and we, like God, are creative animals.

Now, you understand why it is ONLY Christianity which is attacked on all fronts——it is to destroy Reason and the Age of Wisdom in human beings-—erase all the ideology which created the US Constitution and Individualism——so they can recreate the collective, pagan, sodomite cultures of tribal minds only. (happy slaves/serfs/peasants).


18 posted on 11/05/2015 10:28:38 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: D_Idaho

Yes, and I would like a clear explanation of the origin and enforcement of the laws of physics.


19 posted on 11/05/2015 10:32:31 AM PST by GilesB
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To: Tennessean4Bush

So, the unasked question is: Why would one choose a career in the clergy, if he/she did not believe in the Creator?


20 posted on 11/05/2015 10:36:21 AM PST by GilesB
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