The Trump Poll Numbers Lie: History says the GOP will still bank on Bush.

Politico ^ | 10/21/2015 | MARK K. UPDEGROVE

[SeekAndFind]

Surveying the populous field of GOP candidates this week, it might seem far-fetched to imagine Jeb Bush as the party’s nominee at this time next year. Since throwing his hat in the ring for the presidency in mid-June, the stalwart Bush hasn’t found a footing in the Republican race. He stumbled awkwardly through Sunday’s interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper and is stuck in fifth place in polls continually dominated by the inexplicable Donald Trump—who on Monday became the longest-lasting “fad” candidate since at least 2004. But before we get too far afield on speculation that Trump will seize the party’s nomination, and before we write off as wishful thinking his super PAC strategist’s argument for why Jeb’s still the one to beat, it’s instructive to remember one key point: Republicans are the conservative party, which is more than just a political affiliation—it’s also a perennial mind-set that applies to whom they choose to top their tickets.

Just over a half-century ago, as the Republican Party convened in San Francisco’s Cow Palace to determine its 1964 presidential nominee, the GOP faithful divided viciously over two potential standard-bearers. The first was the Republican establishment candidate, New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, a moderate. The second was Barry Goldwater, the senator from Arizona, a conservative firebrand who had charged up an increasingly large and vocal conservative wing of the party with his clarion call, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” After an impassioned convention floor battle, Goldwater emerged as the party’s nominee and marched on to the campaign trail against incumbent President Lyndon B. Johnson. Goldwater’s campaign slogan: “In Your Heart You Know He’s Right.”

Maybe. But on Election Day, voters went “All the Way with LBJ,” who pulled a landslide 61 percent of the popular vote

[stanne]

History?

History says that when conservatives simply take their proper place, the win huge. 2010, 2014.

Tge Bushes are insane in this cycle they’re like tge Clintons in that way. Jeb wasn’t electable in 2000 so tgey asked W to step in

He came from nowhere. A granted governors seat. No intention of running for president

Now they have to run Jeb Anyone else sick tgat W said
More nasty things about Cruz than ever about Clinton Obama?

[sport]

Regardless of what the GOP does. The Democrats will steal the election, assuming that Obama allows one to take place, as they did in 2012.

Someone on this forum, I do not recall their screen name, that the Republicans signed an agreement that they would not contest vote fraud. So that automatically throws every election that the Democrats want to win to them.

[Buckeye McFrog]

translation: Have faith in the ability of the GOPe to rig the primaries.

[painter]

I see some serious, serious market declines coming before election time. We are talking 50% decline.

Bill Bonner and Porter Standsberry have been predicting that too.

figured that Obama would keep pumping money into the Stock Market until after the Inauguration so to blame the crash on the Republican President.

[FlipWilson]

Quote; “A. The writer appears to be completely ignorant of why Goldwater lost—and why the margin was so large.”

Karl Rove, err, I mean the writer isn’t ignorant. They just don’t care. They have their “Goldwater = coservatives = disaster” narrative and that is that.

[Robert A Cook PE]

I will see their Barry Goldwater and raise them a Dewey, GHW Bush, Ford, Dole, McCain, and Romney. Please, Goldwater lost because he was running against JFK’s ghost and one of the dirtiest bastards in American political history.

So, according to this (democrat/liberal/socialist writer at the Politico) the repubbie party is the more “conservative party” .... and so they are going to nominate the most liberal, Washington-elite-branded candidate out of a bunch with too many liberal Washington-based toadies already?

When the outsiders (Carson, Cruz, Trump, Fiorino) already poll more than 60% of the probable voters?

[GilGil]

Don’t think there is anything Obama or anyone can do about this decline.

[Buckeye Battle Cry]

Ohioan, good analysis. I would add that Goldwater’s foreign policy regarding Viet Nam was either go in big and win it fast or stay the hell out of there. LBJ took the first part and clubbed Goldwater over the head with it making him seem like a war monger. Remember the Daisy ad?

In hindsight, Goldwater was proven 100% correct - especially in light of LBJ and McNamara utterly screwing up Viet Nam with meandering political calculations that drug it out.

[Georgia Girl 2]

California Dreaming. :-)

[JoeFromSidney]

If the GOPe gives us the Jebster, I'm staying home on election day. Why bother choosing between Tweedledum and Tweedledee?

[DoughtyOne]

Bush has intimated as much.

He’s stated he’s afraid to have Trump as CIC.

[sarge83]

The Republicans could have ran Christ in 64 and would have lost after the JFK murder. The 64 election is an oddity in my book. More than likely JFK loses the 1964 election. But with the assassination and the media’s help there was never any doubt about LBJ winning. Rockefeller or any lib Republican you can trot out would have lost.

[Captain Peter Blood]

LBJ was going to win no matter what. In the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination all of the sentiment was with Johnson, Goldwater had no real chance. This is a very bad example by someone who has no sense of political history.

[painter]

I believe you. I think the stock market (economy)world wide right now is like a man on 10 foot stilts in an ice arena.

Do you see a trigger that might cause the stock slide besides an increase in interest rates?

[GilGil]

Right now could be anything like Deutschebank going belly up or Glencore going into bankruptcy.

It des not really matter. Today’s close in the markets were an unbelievable roller coaster ride which is a dead giveaway of a bear market.

I will guess 2000-3000 points lower in Dow by end of December.

And a 5000-6000 Dow by election time.

If this comes to pass President Trump is in the bag by a monster landslide like 500 electoral votes for trump.

[painter]

Deutschebank going belly up

That would be an earth quake!

[GilGil]

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[GilGil]

Ignore the previous reply. Not sure what all that crap writing is all about. Here is what I wanted you to get.

Deutsche Bank: a wave of defaults just around the corner

http://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-a-wave-of-defaults-may-be-just-around-the-corner-2015-10

Jim Willie: If Deutsche Bank Goes Under It Will be Lehman Times Five!

http://www.silverdoctors.com/jim-willie-if-deutsche-bank-goes-under-it-will-be-lehman-times-five/

[painter]

If Deutsche Bank Goes Under It Will be Lehman Times Five!

Isn't Duetshche Bank like the Central Bank of Germany?

[GilGil]

You are now starting to understand the extent of the problem. Not to mention that all the major stock markets of the world are down 20-40% a condition that existed in 2008 prior to the American markets collapsing. The American markets were the last to go. Brace yourself. From Wiki: The Deutsche Bundesbank (pronounced [ˈdɔʏtʃə ˈbʊndəsˌbaŋk]; German for German Federal Bank) is the central bank of the Federal Republic of Germany and as such part of the European System of Central Banks (ESCB). Due to its strength and former size, the Bundesbank is the most influential member of the ESCB. Both the Deutsche Bundesbank and the European Central Bank (ECB) are located in Frankfurt, Germany. It is sometimes referred to as "Buba" for Bundesbank.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bundesbank