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1 posted on 10/20/2015 7:51:19 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain
The Constitution's 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to all children born in the United States

No it doesn't.

2 posted on 10/20/2015 7:52:38 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

I have seen many of your posts. You have a theme that is correct.

Protect the border.


4 posted on 10/20/2015 7:54:45 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Now if we can figure out how to keep them from coming in illegally!


6 posted on 10/20/2015 7:56:34 PM PDT by DallasGal
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Getting results and effecting change even before getting sworn in! LOL


7 posted on 10/20/2015 7:56:36 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Immigration is not the issue. Border violations and alien residency are the issues.

People make the error of not rejecting the framed premise to begin with.


8 posted on 10/20/2015 7:57:16 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Well, good!


9 posted on 10/20/2015 7:57:25 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Now we need to dump sanctuary cities.


12 posted on 10/20/2015 7:59:55 PM PDT by proust (If Obama was accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict him?)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Well this is great! GO TEXAS!!!


15 posted on 10/20/2015 8:03:41 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (I have such happy days, and hope you do too!!!)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

The Trump Effect!


16 posted on 10/20/2015 8:04:24 PM PDT by Guenevere (If.the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do....)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

“...anti-immigrant conservatives?”

You’re a liar, Meredith Clark, whoever the hell you are.

These are illegal alien invaders, who do NOT belong in Texas or any other American state.


19 posted on 10/20/2015 8:19:19 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Register liberals, not guns!)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Proves Trump correct


21 posted on 10/20/2015 8:23:44 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Actually the 14th amendment does not. It has been only recently magickally interpretd by a liberal court to say it does, but it does not. Certainly it did not at the time it was created, scotus and congress did not regard this doing so.


23 posted on 10/20/2015 8:28:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

This has nothing to do with Trump. Months ago, before Trump was venturing out of Trump Tower, Texas refused to issue a birth certificate to a child because the parents could not provide acceptable identification. The person saying he was the dad, could have said he was Donald Trump, but had no ID to prove that. The mother could have said she was Mother Teresa but had no ID to prove that.

If Texas doesn’t know who the parents are, Texas can’t issue a birth certificate, whether the parents are from Ireland or Greece or Mexico or the United States.


28 posted on 10/20/2015 8:48:55 PM PDT by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save you life today.))
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Thank you for referencing that article BlackFemaleArmyCaptain. As usual, please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"The Constitution's 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to all children born in the United States."

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

The above statement about the 14th Amendment guaranteeing citizenship to all children born in the United States is an outright lie. This is because it completely ignores the 14th Amendment’s “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," clause.

14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof [emphasis added], are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

In fact, thanks to Mark Levin who has pointed out that the congressional record indicates that two federal lawmakers who helped to draft the 14th Amendment had indicated that being born in the USA does not automatically make a person a USA citizen.

"The first amendment is to section one, declaring that “all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside.” I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens [emphases added], who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.” — Senator Jacob Howard, Congressional Globe, 1774 - 1875 Congressional Globe, Senate, 39th Congress, 1st Session.

And to clear up any confusion about “foreigners” and “aliens” in the excerpt above being used to describe the family members of ambassadors or foreign ministers, the excerpt below is another official perspective on what the 14th Amendment’s jurisdiction clause means.

"Of course my opinion is not any better than that of any other member of the Senate; but it is very clear to me that there is nothing whatever in the suggestions of the Senator from Wisconsin. The provision is, that “ all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” That means “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.” Now, does the Senator from Wisconsin pretend to say that the Navajo Indians are subject to the Complete jurisdiction of the United States? What do we mean by “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means. [emphases added] Can you sue a Navajo Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make …” — Senator Lyman Trumbull, Congressional Globe, 1774 - 1875 Congressional Globe, Senate, 39th Congress, 1st Session. (See middle of first column.)

The reason that there’s so much confusion about the 14th Amendment’s jurisdiction clause imo, is because activist justices twisted the intentions of the drafters of that amendment when they decided the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark in his favor.

30 posted on 10/20/2015 9:09:48 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Yes Ma'am! Love My State! We also said NO to picking up the tab for plan parenthood abortionists! YEE HAW!
34 posted on 10/20/2015 9:49:00 PM PDT by djstex
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bttt


35 posted on 10/20/2015 10:12:19 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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From the article, “So vital and important that the family of a child obviously born in the U.S. have to go to court for the right to be recognized as a citizen.”

If you are born in Texas the hospital issues the Birth Certificate and forwards it to the State. If you are not born in a hospital you can still get a birth certificate based on the forms the midwife files, or even sworn affidavits by family members. Type in “how are non hospital births recorded in Texas” into google. The answers are there.

Texas is denying these birth certificates because they do not know where the children were born. Mexico is a good guess.

36 posted on 10/20/2015 10:33:43 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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The way it should be is that Only children born to Illegal Aliens should have to get birth certificates so that they can be tracked for life.

All the rest of us now get birth certificates and along with that a Social Security number and that documentation tracks us for life. The Social Security number forces us to pay taxes, keeps track of our every move. Where we work, what we make, who we marry, where we live etc, etc.

Without a Social Security number, you have a much better life and can even grow up to be President of the United States.


37 posted on 10/21/2015 12:59:13 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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Their families can stay together... In Mexico! What? Mexico won’t allow it? Buncha racists.
If you come here through the front door, awesome, but the truth is..This isn’t about families, this is about the deadly violence spreading from Mexico. It is also about drugs. Rape trees.. Do we really keep ignoring that and the victims.. And the heinous criminals that do these things?
Can’t we do better as a country? Of course we ignore bachi bazi... So I think we are through.


38 posted on 10/21/2015 3:08:08 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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Not true, unfortunately, Texas is simply refusing to issue birth certificates to parents without any form of valid ID.

Were theses people legal visitors with passports and/or a Visa, or for that matter any kind of U.S. identification their children would get birth certificates under their names.

But as they just walked in to this country illegally without any visa or passport they have no valid ID. So we can’t verify their name and Identity, which is necessary under Texas law to create a legal birth certificate.

Admittedly its a loophole but it is not enforcing the law as the 14th Amendment specified when written as you can still get a birth certificate without having a parent with U.S. citizenship by simply having a parent with Passport and/or Visas.


40 posted on 10/21/2015 2:08:27 PM PDT by Monorprise
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