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Medicare Premiums May Soar as Social Security Payments Stay Flat
New York Times ^ | October 15, 2015 | By Robert Pear

Posted on 10/15/2015 11:18:53 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

WASHINGTON — The 60 million people on Social Security will not receive any cost-of-living increase in their benefits in 2016, the government said on Thursday, but because of a quirk in federal law, nearly one-third of Medicare beneficiaries could see record increases in their premiums unless Congress intervenes.

With millions of older Americans on fixed incomes facing that one-two punch, the Obama administration is urging Congress to moderate or stop the health insurance premium increases, which could raise the cost for some Medicare beneficiaries by about 50 percent — the largest increase, by far, in the history of Medicare. But the House’s leadership crisis could prove to be an obstacle.

Social Security has provided automatic cost-of-living adjustments in every year since 1975 with two exceptions, 2010 and 2011. But inflation was extremely low in 2015, leading to another benefit freeze, Social Security officials said. Gasoline prices, in particular, have declined sharply, holding down overall prices in the economy.

The purpose of the automatic increases is to preserve the purchasing power of Social Security benefits. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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This would affect 30 percent of recipients.
1 posted on 10/15/2015 11:18:53 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Not possible. Obama said average health insurance premium would go down by $2500.


2 posted on 10/15/2015 11:19:51 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Simple question. When gas prices went up, what effect did that have?


3 posted on 10/15/2015 11:25:06 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Brad from Tennessee

>>The purpose of the automatic increases is to preserve the purchasing power of Social Security benefits. . .

Wages aren’t keeping up either.


4 posted on 10/15/2015 11:27:58 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

So when fuel and food prices are rising rapidly they are volatile, and excluded from CPI, so no COLA increase. But now, when fuel prices are falling they are dominating all other costs, so no COLA increase. Got it: whatever happens, no COLA increase. During the Obama presidency we have seen fuel and food costs increase more than any other living generation of Americans, but somehow we have the first three years of ZERO COLA increases in the history of the social security program. I don’t draw social security, but this is outrageous. Using the CPI to peg SS and COLA is stupid for other reasons beyond this blatant fraud. “Real” cost of living is influenced by real estate taxes, increased cost of education, increased housing costs, increased cost of services, and many other factors not considered at all.


5 posted on 10/15/2015 11:30:03 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Because of low gas prices, the Cost of Living "didn't increase". Except a lot of Seniors can't afford to drive very much, so the things that we actually need to purchase did go up in price!

Medicare part A is free for those who qualify. It's the optional parts that keep increasing. A lot of my friends say it's the co-pays that are increasing dramatically.

6 posted on 10/15/2015 11:32:01 AM PDT by grania
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Funny how “the quirks” always end up being the Feds take more money. One might think they are simply corrupt.


7 posted on 10/15/2015 11:32:02 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Steely Tom

Mine just went up $4,800.00, which is a $7,300.00 difference of the bogus Obama claim. It also means my income was just reduced by $4,800.00.


8 posted on 10/15/2015 11:35:22 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
From the article, people who will pay more:
9 posted on 10/15/2015 11:35:52 AM PDT by upchuck (Academics think capitalism is corrupt because that's how academia is. h/t Glen Reynolds)
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To: Robert DeLong

That’s my yearly health insurance plan costs, in case I didn’t make that clear.


10 posted on 10/15/2015 11:36:58 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: LambSlave

Oh, kwitcherkikken. You say yourself you’re not even on Social Security. Medicare needs to stay viable, so we’ll pay whatever we have to. Social Security was never intended to be a stand alone pension plan even though it is possible to live exclusively on it if one’s home is paid for and there is little or no debt. People who couldn’t be bothered to plan for retirement and now complain about it are due about as much sympathy as college grads with student loans and degrees in useless fields.


11 posted on 10/15/2015 11:38:28 AM PDT by sparklite2 (All will become clear when it is too late to matter.)
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To: Bryanw92

Essentially, a cut in pay.

I would be fine with no increase in Social Security, if the entire amount of the Social Security stipend were not subject to a sliding scale of income tax liability.

That was very cleverly signed into law some years back (1984), and has not since been repealed.


12 posted on 10/15/2015 12:01:44 PM PDT by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
Simple question. When gas prices went up, what effect did that have?

Social Security benefits increased.

However, the SSA keeps track of the CPI they use, from year to year. If it was something like:

2010: -1%
2011: -1%
2012: +3%

There would be no change in benefits in 2011, or 2012. But, in 2013, there would be only a 1% increase -- because those two years of decreases are subtracted.

The net effect is that SS beneficiaries got 2/3rd of the 3% increase in earlier years -- by not actually lowering them.

The article discusses some of the issues, but it turns out that energy prices are a significant part of the CPI calculation used by the SSA. So, a big drop in gas prices (and heating oil, natural gas, electricity, etc.) cancels out increases in groceries.

I think there's a good point to be made: medical expenses are a larger part of senior's budgets. The CPI calculation used by the SSA should account for that.

13 posted on 10/15/2015 12:07:51 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: sparklite2

I agree with everything you say, and I can assure I am well set up for retirement now, even though it is decades away, even if the government took social security and my 401k, I could retire today and be quite comfortable. I am simply pointing out that the way cost of living increases are calculated is a con game. Those who do depend on COLA adjustments are being robbed,and this includes our soldiers and marines.


14 posted on 10/15/2015 12:09:41 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Medicare actuaries predicted in July that the standard premium for those beneficiaries would rise next year to $159 a month, from just under $105 a month for most beneficiaries, the same as in 2013 and 2014.

Health insurance for $ 159.00 per month?

Health insurance for $ 159.00 per month?

Health insurance for $ 159.00 per month?

I wonder if the people who live in the wonderful world of senior benefits have any idea what regular people pay for health insurance.

15 posted on 10/15/2015 12:17:11 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: LambSlave

There’s this ....

The majority of [SS] enrollees will not face any increase because there is a “hold-harmless” provision in federal law that protects most people from Part B increases if there is no corollary cost-of-living increase in Social Security.

http://www.oann.com/cost-of-living-adjustment-is-what-needs-adjustment/


16 posted on 10/15/2015 12:19:34 PM PDT by sparklite2 (All will become clear when it is too late to matter.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Good. The sooner we gut these socialist programs, the better.


17 posted on 10/15/2015 12:54:20 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Amazing Obama can push spending billions for illegals and refugees, but not for those who actually worked and contributed to our country.
18 posted on 10/15/2015 2:17:56 PM PDT by beethoven
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To: All; Brad from Tennessee

When under what president did borrowing from Social security begin, and was that President the one that passed the bill to borrow from it?


19 posted on 10/15/2015 9:19:24 PM PDT by celmak (GO TED CRUZ !!!)
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To: Tau Food
I wonder if the people who live in the wonderful world of senior benefits have any idea what regular people pay for health insurance.
Yeah, you're right brainiac, seniors were born old and just skipped over that "regular people" part of life.
20 posted on 10/16/2015 6:23:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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