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To: Thunder90

You’d prefer ISIS to be there, instead?


46 posted on 10/14/2015 12:37:55 AM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Southack

I prefer neither of them to be there. It is like Poland during WWII. Hitler and Stalin were both bad news. Remove one and you get the other. Either way, the people there suffer. The same thing is happening here.


47 posted on 10/14/2015 12:42:12 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Southack; Thunder90
You’d prefer ISIS to be there, instead?

I like the way you phony-baloney Putinistas try to make it seem like there are just these two choices: Russia or ISIS. How about the US step up its efforts to what it should have been from the start and wipe the terror group off the friggin map.

All but 1 or 2 of you have the integrity to openly admit that what you really want is for Russia to replace the US as the world's top superpower, and for them to finish retaking Eastern Europe and ultimately also grab control of the Middle East. ISIS is just the excuse for Russia to do what they're doing in the region. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they, either, created ISIS themselves or have plants working within them whose job it is rile them up even further. Sort of like KGB/FSB Putin's version of Charles Manson's Helter Skelter.
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Charles Manson's Helter Skelter:

"Helter Skelter would begin, according to one of Charlie's devotees, 'with the black man going into white people's homes and ripping off the white people, physically destroying them. A couple of spades from Watts would come up into the Bel Air and Beverly Hills district...and just really wipe some people out, just cutting bodies up and smearing blood and writing things on the wall in blood...all kinds of super-atrocious crimes that would really make the white man mad...until there was open revolution in the streets, until they finally won and took over. Then the black man would assume the white man's karma. He would then be the establishment'..."

Charlie and the Family would survive this racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert safe from the turmoil of the cities. He pulled from the Book of Revelations, the concept of a "bottomless pit," the entrance of which, according to Charlie, was a cave underneath Death Valley that led down to a city of gold. This paradise was where Charlie and his Family were going to wait out this war.

Afterwards, when the black man failed at keeping power, Charlie's Family, which they estimated would have multiplied to 144,000 by that time, would then take over from the black man and rule the cities.

"It will be our world then," Charlie told his followers. "There would be no one else, except for us and the black servants.

50 posted on 10/14/2015 5:26:42 AM PDT by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better and safer America)
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To: Southack; Thunder90
From Aug 23, 2015:

"a recent investigation conducted by Novaya Gazeta, one of the few independent newspapers left in Russia, complicates this cozy tale of counterterrorist cooperation. Based on extensive fieldwork in one village in the North Caucasus, reporter Elena Milashina has concluded that the “Russian special services have controlled” the flow of jihadists into Syria, where they have lately joined up not only with ISIS but other radical Islamist factions.

In other words, Russian officials are adding to the ranks of terrorists which the Russian government has deemed a collective threat to the security and longevity of its dictatorial ally on the Mediterranean, Bashar al-Assad."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/23/russia-s-playing-a-double-game-with-islamic-terror0.html
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Understanding Provocation [Provokatsiya]

March 29, 2014

One of the most powerful tools the Kremlin has in its secret arsenal of Special War is provocation, what they call provokatsiya.

While Moscow cannot claim to have invented this technique, which has existed as long as there have been secret services, there’s no doubt that Russians have perfected the art and taken it to a whole new level of sophistication and deviousness. At times, it can become a strategy all on its own (not always, mind you, with edifying results).

Provokatsiya simply means taking control of your enemies in secret and encouraging them to do things that discredit them and help you. You plant your own agents provocateurs and flip legitimate activists [in this case, dupe actual Jihadis -ETL], turning them to your side.

When you’re dealing with extremists to start with, getting them to do crazy, self-defeating things isn’t often difficult. In some cases, you simply create extremists and terrorists where they don’t exist. This is causing problems in order to solve them, and since the Tsarist period, Russian intelligence has been known to do just that.

While this isn’t a particularly nice technique, it works surprisingly well, particularly if you don’t care about bloody and messy consequences. ..."

http://20committee.com/2014/03/29/understanding-provocation/
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In other words, it's like starting a fire, or pouring gasoline on a fire, in order to be the 'big hero', being first on the scene to put it out. Except in this case, you get to grab control over the buildings and town you helped 'saved' from the fire you helped to start.

51 posted on 10/14/2015 5:26:56 AM PDT by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better and safer America)
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